HSUS Challenges American Agriculture

Chuck Zimmerman

Wayne PacelleThe President of the Humane Society of the United States, HSUS, Wayne Pacelle, spoke to the National Association of Farm Broadcasting this evening. I would characterize his comments as a challenge to everyone involved in agriculture and especially animal agriculture. On the one hand he suggested that we should join with them on areas of common agreement but then on the other hand he made it very clear that the world is changing and farmers have to accept it that things are different. Kind of like saying that we have no choice but to succumb to their agenda so why not make it easy.

I had an opportunity to ask a question and although I had many like, “Why do you use your name to suggest that you’re affiliated with local humane societies and animal shelters when you really aren’t?” However one of my Twitter followers sent in a couple of questions and I posed one of hers. She’s a farm wife in Tennessee and here’s what she wrote.

I have so many questions for Mr. Pacelle and other animal rights activists. My first question would be how he plans to help those families he is so strongly trying to put out of business or are we to try and find a new way of life, a new home, a new life style? We’ve heard it before, but farming isn’t just a job – it’s a passion. We certainly don’t do it because we’re getting rich. We do it because we love the land, the animals, and the work. The attack on animal agriculture is really an attack on the entire ag industry as we are inter-dependent on one another.

I’m posting his answer to my question to see if you can understand what he said. I think he got a little defensive and avoided a direct answer. Feel free to post your thoughts.

You can listen to my question of Wayne and his answer here: ww-09-hsus.mp3

Wayne claims the organization has over $200 million to work with so I would suggest that agriculture take them seriously. Their emotional pitch is very seductive as evidenced by the number of celebrities who publicly support them and all the folks giving them money. But rather than be afraid of them I think we have a great opportunity to get out and use the new social media forms of communication to battle the sensationalized, isolated stereotypes these groups employ so effectively. Farming is a way of life and we wouldn’t have the great country we have today if if wasn’t for the American farmer. I think that’s a story the public wants and needs to hear and I encourage farmers in particular to tell and show it. I am seeing more and more of them doing it too.

Post Update: At the request of several followers I’m posting the full comments and question and answer session for you to listen to here. Basically, it is a good idea to know what the enemy says directly from their mouth. Please let others know so they can hear this. Agriculture as a way of life is very threatened by groups like HSUS and I think you’ll hear that very clearly.

You can listen to the full session here: ww-09-hsus-remarks.mp3

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Comments 87

  1. Hi Chuck-
    Would it be possible for you to post a transcript of Wayne’s comment, or maybe a short summary of his key points? I don’t know if it’s just me, but I can’t get the audio loud enough to hear what he says.
    Thanks!

  2. Hi Chuck-
    Would it be possible for you to post a transcript of Wayne’s comment, or maybe a short summary of his key points? I don’t know if it’s just me, but I can’t get the audio loud enough to hear what he says.
    Thanks!

  3. Hi Chuck-
    Would it be possible for you to post a transcript of Wayne’s comment, or maybe a short summary of his key points? I don’t know if it’s just me, but I can’t get the audio loud enough to hear what he says.
    Thanks!

  4. Mr. Pacelle should understand that indeed, we do not live in a static world – that livestock practices HAVE CHANGED – and care for food animals is many times better now than it was 50-years ago!!
    The animals are now protected from weather, disease, from harm to
    one-another; a whole host of things are better now than years ago!!

    He states that we have always debated issues in our country and that’s how our democracy works…… This is true, however, you, Mr. Pacelle, do not have the right to IMPOSE YOUR BELIEFS OF A VEGAN
    LIFESTYLE ON ME, OR ANYONE ELSE!! This is what you are doing and this is not the American way. You desire to take away my choice to eat meat, eggs and drink milk – this is YOUR GOAL. You do not have that right sir…………….

  5. Mr. Pacelle should understand that indeed, we do not live in a static world – that livestock practices HAVE CHANGED – and care for food animals is many times better now than it was 50-years ago!!
    The animals are now protected from weather, disease, from harm to
    one-another; a whole host of things are better now than years ago!!

    He states that we have always debated issues in our country and that’s how our democracy works…… This is true, however, you, Mr. Pacelle, do not have the right to IMPOSE YOUR BELIEFS OF A VEGAN
    LIFESTYLE ON ME, OR ANYONE ELSE!! This is what you are doing and this is not the American way. You desire to take away my choice to eat meat, eggs and drink milk – this is YOUR GOAL. You do not have that right sir…………….

  6. Mr. Pacelle should understand that indeed, we do not live in a static world – that livestock practices HAVE CHANGED – and care for food animals is many times better now than it was 50-years ago!!
    The animals are now protected from weather, disease, from harm to
    one-another; a whole host of things are better now than years ago!!

    He states that we have always debated issues in our country and that’s how our democracy works…… This is true, however, you, Mr. Pacelle, do not have the right to IMPOSE YOUR BELIEFS OF A VEGAN
    LIFESTYLE ON ME, OR ANYONE ELSE!! This is what you are doing and this is not the American way. You desire to take away my choice to eat meat, eggs and drink milk – this is YOUR GOAL. You do not have that right sir…………….

  7. Wayne says that farmers are outstanding Americans that know how to do their jobs.So why is this not good enough for him? Mr. Pacelle’s ultimate goal is to rid this country of animal agriculture. period.

  8. Wayne says that farmers are outstanding Americans that know how to do their jobs.So why is this not good enough for him? Mr. Pacelle’s ultimate goal is to rid this country of animal agriculture. period.

  9. Wayne says that farmers are outstanding Americans that know how to do their jobs.So why is this not good enough for him? Mr. Pacelle’s ultimate goal is to rid this country of animal agriculture. period.

  10. I would suggest, first off, that we don’t call them the ‘enemy.’ And why should we think and act like we are threatened by them? In fact, why are we even promoting their views of how they view a few livestock producers or livestock rearing practices?

    What if, instead, we tell our story of the passions our producers have for animals…that is not directed at HSUS. Let’s prove there is sound science that shows it’s okay that animals raised for meat can be safely accomplished in many ways–from confinements to pasture. Marketing will give consumers a choice. And neither choice is better or worse than another.

    Getting in a pissing match directly with HSUS only helps promote them as being a legitimate voice in animal behavior.

    Just my two cents worth.

    Kurt Lawton

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      I wish it was that easy Kurt. Unfortunately we don’t live in a paradise kind of world. People like this do not care at all about science and truth. Sad but true. Additionally, there is a lot of evidence that these groups have a significant impact with the consumer. Listen to the comments because I would say there was a fair amount of bragging in there. We do need to tell positive stories but we also need to know what those who oppose the industry are doing and saying.

  11. I would suggest, first off, that we don’t call them the ‘enemy.’ And why should we think and act like we are threatened by them? In fact, why are we even promoting their views of how they view a few livestock producers or livestock rearing practices?

    What if, instead, we tell our story of the passions our producers have for animals…that is not directed at HSUS. Let’s prove there is sound science that shows it’s okay that animals raised for meat can be safely accomplished in many ways–from confinements to pasture. Marketing will give consumers a choice. And neither choice is better or worse than another.

    Getting in a pissing match directly with HSUS only helps promote them as being a legitimate voice in animal behavior.

    Just my two cents worth.

    Kurt Lawton

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      I wish it was that easy Kurt. Unfortunately we don’t live in a paradise kind of world. People like this do not care at all about science and truth. Sad but true. Additionally, there is a lot of evidence that these groups have a significant impact with the consumer. Listen to the comments because I would say there was a fair amount of bragging in there. We do need to tell positive stories but we also need to know what those who oppose the industry are doing and saying.

  12. I would suggest, first off, that we don’t call them the ‘enemy.’ And why should we think and act like we are threatened by them? In fact, why are we even promoting their views of how they view a few livestock producers or livestock rearing practices?

    What if, instead, we tell our story of the passions our producers have for animals…that is not directed at HSUS. Let’s prove there is sound science that shows it’s okay that animals raised for meat can be safely accomplished in many ways–from confinements to pasture. Marketing will give consumers a choice. And neither choice is better or worse than another.

    Getting in a pissing match directly with HSUS only helps promote them as being a legitimate voice in animal behavior.

    Just my two cents worth.

    Kurt Lawton

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      I wish it was that easy Kurt. Unfortunately we don’t live in a paradise kind of world. People like this do not care at all about science and truth. Sad but true. Additionally, there is a lot of evidence that these groups have a significant impact with the consumer. Listen to the comments because I would say there was a fair amount of bragging in there. We do need to tell positive stories but we also need to know what those who oppose the industry are doing and saying.

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  13. It sounded to me like he said that farmers are being bombarded by ethanol, the weather, and environmental threats, but people have “caloric needs,” so we will always need food from farmers. “I grew up on a farm” so I understand farming needs. HSUS has been criticized by many people, including our own members. Criticism goes with the territory. The world is changing and we need to change our ways of doing things to protect the environment and farmers need to change the way they treat animals. Farmers cannot exempt themselves from change.

    It does not appear that Pacelle gave any reason for why he should dictate changes in farming, it seems like he is putting himself on the same plain as weather and the environment. Weather and the environment change what farmers do, so farmers should change because HSUS says so.

  14. It sounded to me like he said that farmers are being bombarded by ethanol, the weather, and environmental threats, but people have “caloric needs,” so we will always need food from farmers. “I grew up on a farm” so I understand farming needs. HSUS has been criticized by many people, including our own members. Criticism goes with the territory. The world is changing and we need to change our ways of doing things to protect the environment and farmers need to change the way they treat animals. Farmers cannot exempt themselves from change.

    It does not appear that Pacelle gave any reason for why he should dictate changes in farming, it seems like he is putting himself on the same plain as weather and the environment. Weather and the environment change what farmers do, so farmers should change because HSUS says so.

  15. It sounded to me like he said that farmers are being bombarded by ethanol, the weather, and environmental threats, but people have “caloric needs,” so we will always need food from farmers. “I grew up on a farm” so I understand farming needs. HSUS has been criticized by many people, including our own members. Criticism goes with the territory. The world is changing and we need to change our ways of doing things to protect the environment and farmers need to change the way they treat animals. Farmers cannot exempt themselves from change.

    It does not appear that Pacelle gave any reason for why he should dictate changes in farming, it seems like he is putting himself on the same plain as weather and the environment. Weather and the environment change what farmers do, so farmers should change because HSUS says so.

  16. Chuck…I’m not talking any kind of paradise. I’m talking a different mode of communications. If we are attack dogs, we are no different than the tactics used by HSUS. Our goal is not to attack or convince the activists, for their minds are closed. Our objective is to talk to consumers, not to HSUS. Am I just not being clear here? You want us to brag like they do, too? Obviously we need to know exactly what they are saying and address the issues they are attacking, but we do it in a professional way, not stooping to their tactical level or directly attacking them, because that adds to their credibility as a source in the animal debate.

  17. Chuck…I’m not talking any kind of paradise. I’m talking a different mode of communications. If we are attack dogs, we are no different than the tactics used by HSUS. Our goal is not to attack or convince the activists, for their minds are closed. Our objective is to talk to consumers, not to HSUS. Am I just not being clear here? You want us to brag like they do, too? Obviously we need to know exactly what they are saying and address the issues they are attacking, but we do it in a professional way, not stooping to their tactical level or directly attacking them, because that adds to their credibility as a source in the animal debate.

  18. Chuck…I’m not talking any kind of paradise. I’m talking a different mode of communications. If we are attack dogs, we are no different than the tactics used by HSUS. Our goal is not to attack or convince the activists, for their minds are closed. Our objective is to talk to consumers, not to HSUS. Am I just not being clear here? You want us to brag like they do, too? Obviously we need to know exactly what they are saying and address the issues they are attacking, but we do it in a professional way, not stooping to their tactical level or directly attacking them, because that adds to their credibility as a source in the animal debate.

  19. As a beef producer, I don’t condone the abuse of animals. I provide the best care that I can of my animals. When one is ill, I provide the best care to resort them to health and when one dies, I grieve the loss. Not just as a finacial loss, but that it died under my care. But I understand the circle of life- that being that all living things will eventually die. However, I have been around animals enough to know that bulk of abuse they will see in their lives will come from their own speices. Most of “society” is so far removed from is reality that they don’t know or understand this. HSUS likes to show human abuse of animals, because it puts money in their bank account. Maybe we, as food producers, need to show what happens when hog gestation crates are not used and when chickens are not caged, etc… Then “society” may not be so likely to support the efforts of the HSUS’s and PETA’s of the world.

  20. As a beef producer, I don’t condone the abuse of animals. I provide the best care that I can of my animals. When one is ill, I provide the best care to resort them to health and when one dies, I grieve the loss. Not just as a finacial loss, but that it died under my care. But I understand the circle of life- that being that all living things will eventually die. However, I have been around animals enough to know that bulk of abuse they will see in their lives will come from their own speices. Most of “society” is so far removed from is reality that they don’t know or understand this. HSUS likes to show human abuse of animals, because it puts money in their bank account. Maybe we, as food producers, need to show what happens when hog gestation crates are not used and when chickens are not caged, etc… Then “society” may not be so likely to support the efforts of the HSUS’s and PETA’s of the world.

  21. As a beef producer, I don’t condone the abuse of animals. I provide the best care that I can of my animals. When one is ill, I provide the best care to resort them to health and when one dies, I grieve the loss. Not just as a finacial loss, but that it died under my care. But I understand the circle of life- that being that all living things will eventually die. However, I have been around animals enough to know that bulk of abuse they will see in their lives will come from their own speices. Most of “society” is so far removed from is reality that they don’t know or understand this. HSUS likes to show human abuse of animals, because it puts money in their bank account. Maybe we, as food producers, need to show what happens when hog gestation crates are not used and when chickens are not caged, etc… Then “society” may not be so likely to support the efforts of the HSUS’s and PETA’s of the world.

  22. Basically I feel that Mr. Pacelle has NO understanding of farming and the advances made over the years for the better care of the the animals. Somewhere in all of this we have to have people rights and welfare also. The problem with HSUS is that they are of the opinion that animals have more rights than people. They do not want them owned as property. They would like for us to be guardians of our animals, not OWNERS of our property.

    He never answered the question ask of him. He just talked. He has no knowledge of farming or of the care needed for the animals. HSUS would like for all animals to cease to exist as we know them today. Their motto has been “one generation and out”.

  23. Basically I feel that Mr. Pacelle has NO understanding of farming and the advances made over the years for the better care of the the animals. Somewhere in all of this we have to have people rights and welfare also. The problem with HSUS is that they are of the opinion that animals have more rights than people. They do not want them owned as property. They would like for us to be guardians of our animals, not OWNERS of our property.

    He never answered the question ask of him. He just talked. He has no knowledge of farming or of the care needed for the animals. HSUS would like for all animals to cease to exist as we know them today. Their motto has been “one generation and out”.

  24. Basically I feel that Mr. Pacelle has NO understanding of farming and the advances made over the years for the better care of the the animals. Somewhere in all of this we have to have people rights and welfare also. The problem with HSUS is that they are of the opinion that animals have more rights than people. They do not want them owned as property. They would like for us to be guardians of our animals, not OWNERS of our property.

    He never answered the question ask of him. He just talked. He has no knowledge of farming or of the care needed for the animals. HSUS would like for all animals to cease to exist as we know them today. Their motto has been “one generation and out”.

  25. I listened to the entire hour long comment and recommend that everyone take the time to listen to the entire session. I took particular interest in the comment that he made in response about science based policy decision making. “In terms of our policy I can’t think of a time we’ve done research”.

    Folks, I honestly believe that he’s not out to get us (animal ag). Stick with me now, I think that he is marketing a social reform product and animal ag is collateral damage. It’s about the money folks, time and time again, he mentions that they are just out to correct the “worst of offenses”, egregious acts that “mainstream America” agrees with. A powerful business model, that he has masterfully manipulated. HSUS raises money and they do it by marketing this social reform product. He focuses on the public, where we tend to focus on ourselves. In short, if Pacelle was passionate about something like public transportation, let say, he would use the same tactics and methods to achieve his social reform goal and he’d be battling the auto industry rather than animal ag.

    HSUS may not use scientific data to develop policy but their social science is winning the battle, even if it is under the guise that it is legitimate animal food science. Are my comments legitimate? If so, what does this teach us?

  26. I listened to the entire hour long comment and recommend that everyone take the time to listen to the entire session. I took particular interest in the comment that he made in response about science based policy decision making. “In terms of our policy I can’t think of a time we’ve done research”.

    Folks, I honestly believe that he’s not out to get us (animal ag). Stick with me now, I think that he is marketing a social reform product and animal ag is collateral damage. It’s about the money folks, time and time again, he mentions that they are just out to correct the “worst of offenses”, egregious acts that “mainstream America” agrees with. A powerful business model, that he has masterfully manipulated. HSUS raises money and they do it by marketing this social reform product. He focuses on the public, where we tend to focus on ourselves. In short, if Pacelle was passionate about something like public transportation, let say, he would use the same tactics and methods to achieve his social reform goal and he’d be battling the auto industry rather than animal ag.

    HSUS may not use scientific data to develop policy but their social science is winning the battle, even if it is under the guise that it is legitimate animal food science. Are my comments legitimate? If so, what does this teach us?

  27. I listened to the entire hour long comment and recommend that everyone take the time to listen to the entire session. I took particular interest in the comment that he made in response about science based policy decision making. “In terms of our policy I can’t think of a time we’ve done research”.

    Folks, I honestly believe that he’s not out to get us (animal ag). Stick with me now, I think that he is marketing a social reform product and animal ag is collateral damage. It’s about the money folks, time and time again, he mentions that they are just out to correct the “worst of offenses”, egregious acts that “mainstream America” agrees with. A powerful business model, that he has masterfully manipulated. HSUS raises money and they do it by marketing this social reform product. He focuses on the public, where we tend to focus on ourselves. In short, if Pacelle was passionate about something like public transportation, let say, he would use the same tactics and methods to achieve his social reform goal and he’d be battling the auto industry rather than animal ag.

    HSUS may not use scientific data to develop policy but their social science is winning the battle, even if it is under the guise that it is legitimate animal food science. Are my comments legitimate? If so, what does this teach us?

  28. He plays to his “base”, as politicians play to their “base”.
    He can continue to earn a generous salary as long as he can convince enough rich widows to keep the cash flowing. The guy is a charlatan.

  29. He plays to his “base”, as politicians play to their “base”.
    He can continue to earn a generous salary as long as he can convince enough rich widows to keep the cash flowing. The guy is a charlatan.

  30. He plays to his “base”, as politicians play to their “base”.
    He can continue to earn a generous salary as long as he can convince enough rich widows to keep the cash flowing. The guy is a charlatan.

  31. It was interesting to hear Pacelle’s answer to the question – do you ever use science based research when formulating HSUS policy.

    His response, “like any kind of sophisticated political operation, you use the best research tools to drive your message.” Then added, “in terms of our policy formulations, I can’t think of a time where we did research.”

    He admits to two very important things here. First that the HSUS is a political operation contrary to trying to reference themselves as an animal welfare organization. Secondly that HSUS policy is purely based on public sentiment and polling. The ladder suggests that HSUS is fueled by the emotional exploitation of the American public for the political and financial gain of the organization.

  32. It was interesting to hear Pacelle’s answer to the question – do you ever use science based research when formulating HSUS policy.

    His response, “like any kind of sophisticated political operation, you use the best research tools to drive your message.” Then added, “in terms of our policy formulations, I can’t think of a time where we did research.”

    He admits to two very important things here. First that the HSUS is a political operation contrary to trying to reference themselves as an animal welfare organization. Secondly that HSUS policy is purely based on public sentiment and polling. The ladder suggests that HSUS is fueled by the emotional exploitation of the American public for the political and financial gain of the organization.

  33. It was interesting to hear Pacelle’s answer to the question – do you ever use science based research when formulating HSUS policy.

    His response, “like any kind of sophisticated political operation, you use the best research tools to drive your message.” Then added, “in terms of our policy formulations, I can’t think of a time where we did research.”

    He admits to two very important things here. First that the HSUS is a political operation contrary to trying to reference themselves as an animal welfare organization. Secondly that HSUS policy is purely based on public sentiment and polling. The ladder suggests that HSUS is fueled by the emotional exploitation of the American public for the political and financial gain of the organization.

  34. Animal right activist have a clear 12 step goal and it does not brook any compromise thus Wayne Pacelles lust for money. What are the 12 steps of the the animal rights agenda?
    1. Abolish by law all animal research. (There would be no cures for AIDS, cancer, heart disease, etc., and testing of new drugs would be done on humans, or not at all.)
    2. Outlaw the use of animals for cosmetic and product testing, and classroom demonstration (physicians would perform their first surgeries and procedures on humans without any previous experience).
    3. Vegetarian meals should be at all public institutions, including schools.
    4. Eliminate all animal agriculture (resulting in no milk, eggs, chicken, fish, or meat for food, no leather for shoes or clothing).  (How many foods do you eat that contain eggs or dairy products, or a derivative of the same? Did you know your keyboard and mouse may have been made with animal products?)
    5. Eliminate all herbicides, pesticides or other agricultural chemicals.  Outlaw predator control.(Farmers would not be able to produce as much food as they do now, driving the cost of living up, and eliminating the export of food to hungry nations. Animals such as coyotes are already a problem in some areas, coming into yards to eat garbage and prey upon outdoor pets.)
    6. Transfer enforcement of animal welfare legislation away from the Department of Agriculture. (Animal issues would be controlled by people with little or no experience in customary animal husbandry.
    7. Eliminate fur ranching and the use of furs.
    8. Prohibit hunting, trapping and fishing.
    9. End the international trade in wildlife goods.
    10. Stop any further breeding of companion animals, including purebred dogs and cats. Spaying and neutering should be subsidized by state and municipal governments until all companion animals are extinct. Abolish commerce in animals for the pet trade.  Eliminate pet ownership.
    11. End the use of animals in entertainment and sports (resulting in no horse shows, cat or dog shows, animal actors, rodeos, animal movie stars).
    12. Prohibit the genetic manipulation of the species (resulting in the elimination of critical medical research relating to Cancer, AIDS and other life threatening diseases, as well as crop production improvements such as the difference between the Holstein and the Angus, and eliminate all pedigreed animals, etc… ).
    You may sympathize with one of the points above… however, do you agree with all of them?  If you disagree with only some, you cannot, in good conscience, continue to support the animal rights agenda with donations or support of their legislation. For example, I happen to agree with item 9, above, but if I send money to the animal rights groups, it may be used to support items with which I disagree.
    This is a religious cult based upon a philosophy that animals should have human rights and that we make slaves of them. Every law they push about companion animals has been to make it more expensive and difficult to own or keep an animal. Every time they get a community to pass a mandatory spay and neuter law the deaths of pets who had homes increases and licensing compliance drops below effective levels. This has happend in Los Angeles and in other cities. Some cities repealed these laws because they were so devastaing to the community. If they can change our relationship to animals and make our food more expensive this will hurt the poor even more and the USA even more. It will make us vunerable to attack. It will in effect make Wayne Pacelle the new god over America. Wake up people this is not about the few abused animals they keep showing pictures of it is about your ability to have a companion animal, scientific research to prevent life threatening diseases and healthy available food supply. We already have laws on the books to protect animals. The question is getting the police to enforce such laws. HSUS and PETA are clear threats to the American way of life. This is a false god just as Jim Jones convinced people to posion their children. This man is a threat to the safety of our country and our food supplies. This is not about treating animals better it is about killing them all which HSUS is noted for doing and so is PETA. They support no shelters and they recommend killing all dogs. They killed 127 dogs in North Carolina. Healthy dogs of which 67 were puppies. From Wayne’s own mouth: ” We have no ethical obligation to preserve the different breeds of livestock produced through selective breeding. …One generation and out. We have no problems with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding ** Wayne Pacelle * Director of HSUS. This is an evil man who lies to the public and makes up stastics to raise money. Do not believe him and do not compromise with him.

  35. Animal right activist have a clear 12 step goal and it does not brook any compromise thus Wayne Pacelles lust for money. What are the 12 steps of the the animal rights agenda?
    1. Abolish by law all animal research. (There would be no cures for AIDS, cancer, heart disease, etc., and testing of new drugs would be done on humans, or not at all.)
    2. Outlaw the use of animals for cosmetic and product testing, and classroom demonstration (physicians would perform their first surgeries and procedures on humans without any previous experience).
    3. Vegetarian meals should be at all public institutions, including schools.
    4. Eliminate all animal agriculture (resulting in no milk, eggs, chicken, fish, or meat for food, no leather for shoes or clothing).  (How many foods do you eat that contain eggs or dairy products, or a derivative of the same? Did you know your keyboard and mouse may have been made with animal products?)
    5. Eliminate all herbicides, pesticides or other agricultural chemicals.  Outlaw predator control.(Farmers would not be able to produce as much food as they do now, driving the cost of living up, and eliminating the export of food to hungry nations. Animals such as coyotes are already a problem in some areas, coming into yards to eat garbage and prey upon outdoor pets.)
    6. Transfer enforcement of animal welfare legislation away from the Department of Agriculture. (Animal issues would be controlled by people with little or no experience in customary animal husbandry.
    7. Eliminate fur ranching and the use of furs.
    8. Prohibit hunting, trapping and fishing.
    9. End the international trade in wildlife goods.
    10. Stop any further breeding of companion animals, including purebred dogs and cats. Spaying and neutering should be subsidized by state and municipal governments until all companion animals are extinct. Abolish commerce in animals for the pet trade.  Eliminate pet ownership.
    11. End the use of animals in entertainment and sports (resulting in no horse shows, cat or dog shows, animal actors, rodeos, animal movie stars).
    12. Prohibit the genetic manipulation of the species (resulting in the elimination of critical medical research relating to Cancer, AIDS and other life threatening diseases, as well as crop production improvements such as the difference between the Holstein and the Angus, and eliminate all pedigreed animals, etc… ).
    You may sympathize with one of the points above… however, do you agree with all of them?  If you disagree with only some, you cannot, in good conscience, continue to support the animal rights agenda with donations or support of their legislation. For example, I happen to agree with item 9, above, but if I send money to the animal rights groups, it may be used to support items with which I disagree.
    This is a religious cult based upon a philosophy that animals should have human rights and that we make slaves of them. Every law they push about companion animals has been to make it more expensive and difficult to own or keep an animal. Every time they get a community to pass a mandatory spay and neuter law the deaths of pets who had homes increases and licensing compliance drops below effective levels. This has happend in Los Angeles and in other cities. Some cities repealed these laws because they were so devastaing to the community. If they can change our relationship to animals and make our food more expensive this will hurt the poor even more and the USA even more. It will make us vunerable to attack. It will in effect make Wayne Pacelle the new god over America. Wake up people this is not about the few abused animals they keep showing pictures of it is about your ability to have a companion animal, scientific research to prevent life threatening diseases and healthy available food supply. We already have laws on the books to protect animals. The question is getting the police to enforce such laws. HSUS and PETA are clear threats to the American way of life. This is a false god just as Jim Jones convinced people to posion their children. This man is a threat to the safety of our country and our food supplies. This is not about treating animals better it is about killing them all which HSUS is noted for doing and so is PETA. They support no shelters and they recommend killing all dogs. They killed 127 dogs in North Carolina. Healthy dogs of which 67 were puppies. From Wayne’s own mouth: ” We have no ethical obligation to preserve the different breeds of livestock produced through selective breeding. …One generation and out. We have no problems with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding ** Wayne Pacelle * Director of HSUS. This is an evil man who lies to the public and makes up stastics to raise money. Do not believe him and do not compromise with him.

  36. Animal right activist have a clear 12 step goal and it does not brook any compromise thus Wayne Pacelles lust for money. What are the 12 steps of the the animal rights agenda?
    1. Abolish by law all animal research. (There would be no cures for AIDS, cancer, heart disease, etc., and testing of new drugs would be done on humans, or not at all.)
    2. Outlaw the use of animals for cosmetic and product testing, and classroom demonstration (physicians would perform their first surgeries and procedures on humans without any previous experience).
    3. Vegetarian meals should be at all public institutions, including schools.
    4. Eliminate all animal agriculture (resulting in no milk, eggs, chicken, fish, or meat for food, no leather for shoes or clothing).  (How many foods do you eat that contain eggs or dairy products, or a derivative of the same? Did you know your keyboard and mouse may have been made with animal products?)
    5. Eliminate all herbicides, pesticides or other agricultural chemicals.  Outlaw predator control.(Farmers would not be able to produce as much food as they do now, driving the cost of living up, and eliminating the export of food to hungry nations. Animals such as coyotes are already a problem in some areas, coming into yards to eat garbage and prey upon outdoor pets.)
    6. Transfer enforcement of animal welfare legislation away from the Department of Agriculture. (Animal issues would be controlled by people with little or no experience in customary animal husbandry.
    7. Eliminate fur ranching and the use of furs.
    8. Prohibit hunting, trapping and fishing.
    9. End the international trade in wildlife goods.
    10. Stop any further breeding of companion animals, including purebred dogs and cats. Spaying and neutering should be subsidized by state and municipal governments until all companion animals are extinct. Abolish commerce in animals for the pet trade.  Eliminate pet ownership.
    11. End the use of animals in entertainment and sports (resulting in no horse shows, cat or dog shows, animal actors, rodeos, animal movie stars).
    12. Prohibit the genetic manipulation of the species (resulting in the elimination of critical medical research relating to Cancer, AIDS and other life threatening diseases, as well as crop production improvements such as the difference between the Holstein and the Angus, and eliminate all pedigreed animals, etc… ).
    You may sympathize with one of the points above… however, do you agree with all of them?  If you disagree with only some, you cannot, in good conscience, continue to support the animal rights agenda with donations or support of their legislation. For example, I happen to agree with item 9, above, but if I send money to the animal rights groups, it may be used to support items with which I disagree.
    This is a religious cult based upon a philosophy that animals should have human rights and that we make slaves of them. Every law they push about companion animals has been to make it more expensive and difficult to own or keep an animal. Every time they get a community to pass a mandatory spay and neuter law the deaths of pets who had homes increases and licensing compliance drops below effective levels. This has happend in Los Angeles and in other cities. Some cities repealed these laws because they were so devastaing to the community. If they can change our relationship to animals and make our food more expensive this will hurt the poor even more and the USA even more. It will make us vunerable to attack. It will in effect make Wayne Pacelle the new god over America. Wake up people this is not about the few abused animals they keep showing pictures of it is about your ability to have a companion animal, scientific research to prevent life threatening diseases and healthy available food supply. We already have laws on the books to protect animals. The question is getting the police to enforce such laws. HSUS and PETA are clear threats to the American way of life. This is a false god just as Jim Jones convinced people to posion their children. This man is a threat to the safety of our country and our food supplies. This is not about treating animals better it is about killing them all which HSUS is noted for doing and so is PETA. They support no shelters and they recommend killing all dogs. They killed 127 dogs in North Carolina. Healthy dogs of which 67 were puppies. From Wayne’s own mouth: ” We have no ethical obligation to preserve the different breeds of livestock produced through selective breeding. …One generation and out. We have no problems with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding ** Wayne Pacelle * Director of HSUS. This is an evil man who lies to the public and makes up stastics to raise money. Do not believe him and do not compromise with him.

  37. As a 5th generation farmer I believe this person is more dangerous to ag than any person I have heard of in my 50 years. He not only does not eat meat, he doesn’t want you to either. He doesn’t care whether you make a living or not. He cares more about animals feelings than any human feelings. Like any politician he knows how to talk to his base and get them to follow along behind him. We must realize these people will not compromise. They believe that no matter how much care we take in raising our livestock, we are as evil as Hitler because we confine them, butcher them, and consume them. They believe as strongly as we do, that they are right. With that in mind, we have to convince his followers- the average American consumer- that we are in the right. We can counter their high-dollar publicity campaign by using any opportunity to tell our story. Talk to your local civic group, call your congressmen. If we sit back and do nothing, we will all be Wal-Mart greeters

  38. As a 5th generation farmer I believe this person is more dangerous to ag than any person I have heard of in my 50 years. He not only does not eat meat, he doesn’t want you to either. He doesn’t care whether you make a living or not. He cares more about animals feelings than any human feelings. Like any politician he knows how to talk to his base and get them to follow along behind him. We must realize these people will not compromise. They believe that no matter how much care we take in raising our livestock, we are as evil as Hitler because we confine them, butcher them, and consume them. They believe as strongly as we do, that they are right. With that in mind, we have to convince his followers- the average American consumer- that we are in the right. We can counter their high-dollar publicity campaign by using any opportunity to tell our story. Talk to your local civic group, call your congressmen. If we sit back and do nothing, we will all be Wal-Mart greeters

  39. As a 5th generation farmer I believe this person is more dangerous to ag than any person I have heard of in my 50 years. He not only does not eat meat, he doesn’t want you to either. He doesn’t care whether you make a living or not. He cares more about animals feelings than any human feelings. Like any politician he knows how to talk to his base and get them to follow along behind him. We must realize these people will not compromise. They believe that no matter how much care we take in raising our livestock, we are as evil as Hitler because we confine them, butcher them, and consume them. They believe as strongly as we do, that they are right. With that in mind, we have to convince his followers- the average American consumer- that we are in the right. We can counter their high-dollar publicity campaign by using any opportunity to tell our story. Talk to your local civic group, call your congressmen. If we sit back and do nothing, we will all be Wal-Mart greeters

  40. So he doesn’t want to hurt farmers? Hmm, let’s think about this…one of the major agronomic products in the U.S. is corn/silage/etc. meant for animal feed. Take out animal ag and there’s a lot of the market gone. I also noticed that the dolt never mentioned how exactly he would help the very citizens he aims to put out of house and home. Like any other person with a subversive agenda, he’s talking out of both sides of his mouth.

  41. So he doesn’t want to hurt farmers? Hmm, let’s think about this…one of the major agronomic products in the U.S. is corn/silage/etc. meant for animal feed. Take out animal ag and there’s a lot of the market gone. I also noticed that the dolt never mentioned how exactly he would help the very citizens he aims to put out of house and home. Like any other person with a subversive agenda, he’s talking out of both sides of his mouth.

  42. So he doesn’t want to hurt farmers? Hmm, let’s think about this…one of the major agronomic products in the U.S. is corn/silage/etc. meant for animal feed. Take out animal ag and there’s a lot of the market gone. I also noticed that the dolt never mentioned how exactly he would help the very citizens he aims to put out of house and home. Like any other person with a subversive agenda, he’s talking out of both sides of his mouth.

  43. You folks had better believe that these well heeled fanatics intend to put you out of business…PERIOD! There is no compromising with them at all. They will isolate the veal farmers (already have to some extent) villify them as inhumane monsters to the point that NOBODY will have nerve enough to speak up in support. Then they will isolate another group and repeat the same. Either you will unite or lose your livelihood.

  44. You folks had better believe that these well heeled fanatics intend to put you out of business…PERIOD! There is no compromising with them at all. They will isolate the veal farmers (already have to some extent) villify them as inhumane monsters to the point that NOBODY will have nerve enough to speak up in support. Then they will isolate another group and repeat the same. Either you will unite or lose your livelihood.

  45. You folks had better believe that these well heeled fanatics intend to put you out of business…PERIOD! There is no compromising with them at all. They will isolate the veal farmers (already have to some extent) villify them as inhumane monsters to the point that NOBODY will have nerve enough to speak up in support. Then they will isolate another group and repeat the same. Either you will unite or lose your livelihood.

  46. The Internet lets you connect with the public directly every day. Set up a website with great pictures of your beautiful animals so everyone can see. Put a webcam in the barn!

    Go direct to the consumer. Right past HSUS.

    Go beyond just talking about the products we produce (advertising). Talk about the producer and the process. Take a small percentage of your marketing/advertising dollars and explain and show how it’s done. We need cowboys and farmers for the future and many will come out of the cities seeking an “exotic” and unique lifestyle.

  47. The Internet lets you connect with the public directly every day. Set up a website with great pictures of your beautiful animals so everyone can see. Put a webcam in the barn!

    Go direct to the consumer. Right past HSUS.

    Go beyond just talking about the products we produce (advertising). Talk about the producer and the process. Take a small percentage of your marketing/advertising dollars and explain and show how it’s done. We need cowboys and farmers for the future and many will come out of the cities seeking an “exotic” and unique lifestyle.

  48. The Internet lets you connect with the public directly every day. Set up a website with great pictures of your beautiful animals so everyone can see. Put a webcam in the barn!

    Go direct to the consumer. Right past HSUS.

    Go beyond just talking about the products we produce (advertising). Talk about the producer and the process. Take a small percentage of your marketing/advertising dollars and explain and show how it’s done. We need cowboys and farmers for the future and many will come out of the cities seeking an “exotic” and unique lifestyle.

  49. Pacelle, with his slicked back hair, suit and tie, doesn’t look like he has ever actually worked with animals in his life -or ever actually worked at any other real job either. Yet he presumes to tell you folks, farmers in dusty overalls, men and women of the soil who actually work with animals, how to do your work “ethically.”

    Look at that tie. It’s either made of silk, or from some chemical derived from petroleum. If it’s made of silk, it’s based on “cruel” exploitation of the cute little silk worms violating their “rights.” But if it’s made from some petroleum derivative that’s alright, no matter how many animals die slow, painful deaths from oil spills, no matter how much natural animal habitat is destroyed by air pollution or global warming. All that’s o.k. because it’s not based on “cruel” treatment of any individual animals.

    I’m a lawyer who has worked with my hands, maintaining public parklands, and I say animal “rights” is nothing more than “pernicious nonsense.” You farmers don’t need to pay attention to phonies like Pacelle. Instead you should form alliances with other interest groups, involved in medical research, product testing, environmentalism, wildlife management, hunting, fishing and trapping, etc., to provide a unified front against the animal rights zanies.

    If PETA starts a protest in a nearby city against women buying fur coats, get out there in counter protest, riding on your tractors in overalls to support the furriers. Take the steam out of PETA’s dishonest publicity stunts and get your message across that humans necessarily depend on a wide variety of animal products, including both yours and the furriers.

  50. Pacelle, with his slicked back hair, suit and tie, doesn’t look like he has ever actually worked with animals in his life -or ever actually worked at any other real job either. Yet he presumes to tell you folks, farmers in dusty overalls, men and women of the soil who actually work with animals, how to do your work “ethically.”

    Look at that tie. It’s either made of silk, or from some chemical derived from petroleum. If it’s made of silk, it’s based on “cruel” exploitation of the cute little silk worms violating their “rights.” But if it’s made from some petroleum derivative that’s alright, no matter how many animals die slow, painful deaths from oil spills, no matter how much natural animal habitat is destroyed by air pollution or global warming. All that’s o.k. because it’s not based on “cruel” treatment of any individual animals.

    I’m a lawyer who has worked with my hands, maintaining public parklands, and I say animal “rights” is nothing more than “pernicious nonsense.” You farmers don’t need to pay attention to phonies like Pacelle. Instead you should form alliances with other interest groups, involved in medical research, product testing, environmentalism, wildlife management, hunting, fishing and trapping, etc., to provide a unified front against the animal rights zanies.

    If PETA starts a protest in a nearby city against women buying fur coats, get out there in counter protest, riding on your tractors in overalls to support the furriers. Take the steam out of PETA’s dishonest publicity stunts and get your message across that humans necessarily depend on a wide variety of animal products, including both yours and the furriers.

  51. Pacelle, with his slicked back hair, suit and tie, doesn’t look like he has ever actually worked with animals in his life -or ever actually worked at any other real job either. Yet he presumes to tell you folks, farmers in dusty overalls, men and women of the soil who actually work with animals, how to do your work “ethically.”

    Look at that tie. It’s either made of silk, or from some chemical derived from petroleum. If it’s made of silk, it’s based on “cruel” exploitation of the cute little silk worms violating their “rights.” But if it’s made from some petroleum derivative that’s alright, no matter how many animals die slow, painful deaths from oil spills, no matter how much natural animal habitat is destroyed by air pollution or global warming. All that’s o.k. because it’s not based on “cruel” treatment of any individual animals.

    I’m a lawyer who has worked with my hands, maintaining public parklands, and I say animal “rights” is nothing more than “pernicious nonsense.” You farmers don’t need to pay attention to phonies like Pacelle. Instead you should form alliances with other interest groups, involved in medical research, product testing, environmentalism, wildlife management, hunting, fishing and trapping, etc., to provide a unified front against the animal rights zanies.

    If PETA starts a protest in a nearby city against women buying fur coats, get out there in counter protest, riding on your tractors in overalls to support the furriers. Take the steam out of PETA’s dishonest publicity stunts and get your message across that humans necessarily depend on a wide variety of animal products, including both yours and the furriers.

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