HSUS is in Nebraska

Amanda Nolz

8ab134a1-d252-41f9-9885-bd0d74cdaf87 The director of a western-Nebraska ranch for wild horses who was charged with animal cruelty this weekend has turned over more than 200 horses and burros to animal welfare groups. The Morrill County Sheriff’s office confirms that Jason Meduna (MED-nuh) of 3-Strikes Ranch in Alliance has agreed to give up the animals. To read the full report, link to 3 Strikes Ranch situation improving.

However, the real story of the day is the HSUS. They are present at the scene, along with veterinarians and local reporters. My question is, if the HSUS cares so much about these sick and tired horses, why aren’t they being cared for at the facilities? Why are they being put under more stress by shipping them? Why weren’t they given immediate feed and attention? While I absolutely do not stand behind a person that would neglect and mistreat these animals, I also think this situation could have been avoided. I have been asked to pass this story along by my friend Craig Henkel, and he reports that the HSUS have hired “real cowboys” to help round up these unwanted horses. Here is Henkel’s report of the situation. He asks everyone to pass the word along to industry contacts and friends. And, all veterinarian, veterinarian students and any available ranch hands have been asked to come help at the ranch.

I warned you, now Humane Society of the United States is in Bridgeport Nebraska

HSUS is not your local pet shelter. This is the group of anti-animal agriculture people who don’t want you or me here, working in agriculture producing food for the hungry around the world. While were at it, I don’t know of many, if any, commodities produced that are not affected by animal agriculture in some way, directly or indirectly.

HSUS is in Bridgeport “helping” with the unwanted BLM horses, that should’ve been humanely harvested a long time ago. Now we have a case of animal cruelty charges against a “horse rescue” ranch, that couldn’t keep up with all the unwanted horses coming it’s way. No matter who is to blame in this immediate case, it’s HSUS and PETA who are the ultimate cause of this problem. They wanted an end to humane slaughter of unwanted, old, useless horses. Now we know exactly what they have caused, ANIMAL CRUELTY. They want an end to: zoos, hunting, fishing, trapping, usage of any animal product, animal research (no matter if it could cure cancer or end hunger), pets, pet breeders, and any agriculture that in anyway affects directly or indirectly animal agriculture.

I don’t know what I’m gonna do yet, but I will not stand by while HSUS gets their way with the media, ESPECIALLY IN MY OWN BACKYARD. Do you suppose we could get some of you and your businesses to sponsor a hamburger fry for those volunteers in Bpt??? Let your friends and neighbors know about this serious issue. Don’t wait until tomorrow. Do it now. If you have friends in the media, local or otherwise, or if you have contact info with government reps (Adrian Smith, Ben Nelson, Mike Johanns, Gov Heineman etc), forward this email and/or construct your own AND THEN SEND IT TO THEM. You WILL make a difference.

Craig Henkel

Animal Health

Comments 209

  1. This commentary is not only an absurd rant, the “facts” stated in both the lead in and rant are misrepresentations. This is a poor excuse for journalism and the only relationship of this event to mainstream agriculture is, that it demonstrates the need to do a damned sight better at educating ranchers/other agriculturists about range management. FYI, this is the second time this moron did this-the first event was with cattle.

  2. This commentary is not only an absurd rant, the “facts” stated in both the lead in and rant are misrepresentations. This is a poor excuse for journalism and the only relationship of this event to mainstream agriculture is, that it demonstrates the need to do a damned sight better at educating ranchers/other agriculturists about range management. FYI, this is the second time this moron did this-the first event was with cattle.

  3. This commentary is not only an absurd rant, the “facts” stated in both the lead in and rant are misrepresentations. This is a poor excuse for journalism and the only relationship of this event to mainstream agriculture is, that it demonstrates the need to do a damned sight better at educating ranchers/other agriculturists about range management. FYI, this is the second time this moron did this-the first event was with cattle.

  4. Sorry it is not HSUS that is on the ground helping these horses, but Habitat for Horses, a rescue group for horses based in Texas that have been there since day one when the truth came out.

    100,000 + horses were sent to Mexico and Canada for slaughter last year and more this year. So what happened at this ranch has nothing to do with HSUS or any anti-groups causing a problem or lack of horse slaughter.

    As far as I know wild horses cannot be sent to slaughter and the BLM who is suppose to be in charge for the care of these horses has been taking the land that was suppose to be for the mustangs and giving it for a fee to the cattle industry. So BLM has been getting money to take care of the horses and at the same time getting money from the cattle industry for grazing rights. If BLM had never taken the horses out of their given right to our public lands that had been set aside for them we would not have this problem.

    PETA has nothing to do with the horse issues and HSUS has taken little time to support the end of horse slaughter in the last two years, so the problem is not these organizations, but the horse industry themselves.

    Their over breeding and lack of control of their own industry is what is the problem. They for to long have had no programs, incentives or guidelines that should be in place to control the whole issue of unwanted horses.

    Start at the beginning and take responsibility for the breeding of horses and there would be no unwanted horses thus no slaughter.

    Get the cattle industry off our private BLM lands and return the wild horses to where they belong and we would not have had what happened at 3 Strikes.

    In closing we slaughter 10 billion animals for food each year. Each day supermarkets and butcher shops all across this nation discard and send to rendering plants meat that could not be sold. Do we need horse slaughter to add to those numbers and more discarded meat?

  5. Sorry it is not HSUS that is on the ground helping these horses, but Habitat for Horses, a rescue group for horses based in Texas that have been there since day one when the truth came out.

    100,000 + horses were sent to Mexico and Canada for slaughter last year and more this year. So what happened at this ranch has nothing to do with HSUS or any anti-groups causing a problem or lack of horse slaughter.

    As far as I know wild horses cannot be sent to slaughter and the BLM who is suppose to be in charge for the care of these horses has been taking the land that was suppose to be for the mustangs and giving it for a fee to the cattle industry. So BLM has been getting money to take care of the horses and at the same time getting money from the cattle industry for grazing rights. If BLM had never taken the horses out of their given right to our public lands that had been set aside for them we would not have this problem.

    PETA has nothing to do with the horse issues and HSUS has taken little time to support the end of horse slaughter in the last two years, so the problem is not these organizations, but the horse industry themselves.

    Their over breeding and lack of control of their own industry is what is the problem. They for to long have had no programs, incentives or guidelines that should be in place to control the whole issue of unwanted horses.

    Start at the beginning and take responsibility for the breeding of horses and there would be no unwanted horses thus no slaughter.

    Get the cattle industry off our private BLM lands and return the wild horses to where they belong and we would not have had what happened at 3 Strikes.

    In closing we slaughter 10 billion animals for food each year. Each day supermarkets and butcher shops all across this nation discard and send to rendering plants meat that could not be sold. Do we need horse slaughter to add to those numbers and more discarded meat?

  6. Sorry it is not HSUS that is on the ground helping these horses, but Habitat for Horses, a rescue group for horses based in Texas that have been there since day one when the truth came out.

    100,000 + horses were sent to Mexico and Canada for slaughter last year and more this year. So what happened at this ranch has nothing to do with HSUS or any anti-groups causing a problem or lack of horse slaughter.

    As far as I know wild horses cannot be sent to slaughter and the BLM who is suppose to be in charge for the care of these horses has been taking the land that was suppose to be for the mustangs and giving it for a fee to the cattle industry. So BLM has been getting money to take care of the horses and at the same time getting money from the cattle industry for grazing rights. If BLM had never taken the horses out of their given right to our public lands that had been set aside for them we would not have this problem.

    PETA has nothing to do with the horse issues and HSUS has taken little time to support the end of horse slaughter in the last two years, so the problem is not these organizations, but the horse industry themselves.

    Their over breeding and lack of control of their own industry is what is the problem. They for to long have had no programs, incentives or guidelines that should be in place to control the whole issue of unwanted horses.

    Start at the beginning and take responsibility for the breeding of horses and there would be no unwanted horses thus no slaughter.

    Get the cattle industry off our private BLM lands and return the wild horses to where they belong and we would not have had what happened at 3 Strikes.

    In closing we slaughter 10 billion animals for food each year. Each day supermarkets and butcher shops all across this nation discard and send to rendering plants meat that could not be sold. Do we need horse slaughter to add to those numbers and more discarded meat?

  7. Holy cow or should I say hamburger. Didn’t take you long to get this all out of proportion. The Cowboy who owned the ranch was starving the poor horses. How is that HSUS or PETA’s fault? And these poor horses were going to get another chance since the BLM had to take them off their range to make room for more cattle to graze on public lands for pennies. And please call horse slaughter what it is, horrible, torturous death not humane harvest. You don’t harvest horses! They are live, living things not green plants. And by the way, horse meat does not feed the poor starving hungry of the world only rich gourmet eating Europeans and Japanese. And keep you head in the sand like always and leave the rescuers do their job and save these American Icons of Freedom if they can.

  8. Holy cow or should I say hamburger. Didn’t take you long to get this all out of proportion. The Cowboy who owned the ranch was starving the poor horses. How is that HSUS or PETA’s fault? And these poor horses were going to get another chance since the BLM had to take them off their range to make room for more cattle to graze on public lands for pennies. And please call horse slaughter what it is, horrible, torturous death not humane harvest. You don’t harvest horses! They are live, living things not green plants. And by the way, horse meat does not feed the poor starving hungry of the world only rich gourmet eating Europeans and Japanese. And keep you head in the sand like always and leave the rescuers do their job and save these American Icons of Freedom if they can.

  9. Holy cow or should I say hamburger. Didn’t take you long to get this all out of proportion. The Cowboy who owned the ranch was starving the poor horses. How is that HSUS or PETA’s fault? And these poor horses were going to get another chance since the BLM had to take them off their range to make room for more cattle to graze on public lands for pennies. And please call horse slaughter what it is, horrible, torturous death not humane harvest. You don’t harvest horses! They are live, living things not green plants. And by the way, horse meat does not feed the poor starving hungry of the world only rich gourmet eating Europeans and Japanese. And keep you head in the sand like always and leave the rescuers do their job and save these American Icons of Freedom if they can.

  10. Oh Please——-so it’s alright to starve these horses and not give help????? The rescuers who are, are not vegans, PETA-related, nor do they have a desire to stop hunting, fishing,cattle ranching,etc.I feel that someone needs to give respect to Horses, who are, if you did not know,are on quarters of 4 states, flags of 5 states!! Some believe in their humane treatment and protection. Horse slaughter is not humane euthanasia, no matter what you are led to believe.

  11. Oh Please——-so it’s alright to starve these horses and not give help????? The rescuers who are, are not vegans, PETA-related, nor do they have a desire to stop hunting, fishing,cattle ranching,etc.I feel that someone needs to give respect to Horses, who are, if you did not know,are on quarters of 4 states, flags of 5 states!! Some believe in their humane treatment and protection. Horse slaughter is not humane euthanasia, no matter what you are led to believe.

  12. Oh Please——-so it’s alright to starve these horses and not give help????? The rescuers who are, are not vegans, PETA-related, nor do they have a desire to stop hunting, fishing,cattle ranching,etc.I feel that someone needs to give respect to Horses, who are, if you did not know,are on quarters of 4 states, flags of 5 states!! Some believe in their humane treatment and protection. Horse slaughter is not humane euthanasia, no matter what you are led to believe.

  13. Mr. Henkel, had you been following the story re: 3 strikes ranch, I doubt that you would feel the need to rant and rave. That’s right, rave, because you’re not coming across with any credibility when you don’t have any factual background. Maybe you should read a book once in awhile? I only suggest this because my family has been in the cattle business in Southern CA for 4 generations, and what is being done is trying to save a small vestige of what used to be the Northern Plains with the animals that are one it.

    I suggest you get out of “your backyard”, and take a broader look and get some factual information instead of spreading rumors while you’re at it. This is certainly not a PETA project.

  14. Mr. Henkel, had you been following the story re: 3 strikes ranch, I doubt that you would feel the need to rant and rave. That’s right, rave, because you’re not coming across with any credibility when you don’t have any factual background. Maybe you should read a book once in awhile? I only suggest this because my family has been in the cattle business in Southern CA for 4 generations, and what is being done is trying to save a small vestige of what used to be the Northern Plains with the animals that are one it.

    I suggest you get out of “your backyard”, and take a broader look and get some factual information instead of spreading rumors while you’re at it. This is certainly not a PETA project.

  15. Mr. Henkel, had you been following the story re: 3 strikes ranch, I doubt that you would feel the need to rant and rave. That’s right, rave, because you’re not coming across with any credibility when you don’t have any factual background. Maybe you should read a book once in awhile? I only suggest this because my family has been in the cattle business in Southern CA for 4 generations, and what is being done is trying to save a small vestige of what used to be the Northern Plains with the animals that are one it.

    I suggest you get out of “your backyard”, and take a broader look and get some factual information instead of spreading rumors while you’re at it. This is certainly not a PETA project.

  16. Mr. Henkel, had you been following the story re: 3 strikes ranch, I doubt that you would feel the need to rant and rave. That’s right, rave, because you’re not coming across with any credibility when you don’t have any factual background. Maybe you should read a book once in awhile? I only suggest this because my family has been in the cattle business in Southern CA for 4 generations, and what is being done is trying to save a small vestige of what used to be the Northern Plains with the animals that are indigenous to it, and I don’t mean the Spaniards who brought the 3nd wave of the equine species to the Americas.

    I suggest you get out of “your backyard”, and take a broader look and get some factual information instead of spreading rumors while you’re at it. This is certainly not a PETA project.

  17. Mr. Henkel, had you been following the story re: 3 strikes ranch, I doubt that you would feel the need to rant and rave. That’s right, rave, because you’re not coming across with any credibility when you don’t have any factual background. Maybe you should read a book once in awhile? I only suggest this because my family has been in the cattle business in Southern CA for 4 generations, and what is being done is trying to save a small vestige of what used to be the Northern Plains with the animals that are indigenous to it, and I don’t mean the Spaniards who brought the 3nd wave of the equine species to the Americas.

    I suggest you get out of “your backyard”, and take a broader look and get some factual information instead of spreading rumors while you’re at it. This is certainly not a PETA project.

  18. Mr. Henkel, had you been following the story re: 3 strikes ranch, I doubt that you would feel the need to rant and rave. That’s right, rave, because you’re not coming across with any credibility when you don’t have any factual background. Maybe you should read a book once in awhile? I only suggest this because my family has been in the cattle business in Southern CA for 4 generations, and what is being done is trying to save a small vestige of what used to be the Northern Plains with the animals that are indigenous to it, and I don’t mean the Spaniards who brought the 3nd wave of the equine species to the Americas.

    I suggest you get out of “your backyard”, and take a broader look and get some factual information instead of spreading rumors while you’re at it. This is certainly not a PETA project.

  19. Holy smokes, what and where do your ideas come from? The man who ran this “rescue” simple stopped feeding his HIS horses and darn if they didn’t start dying. The people there trying to Help these horses have no other agenda than feeding and watering horses that have seen neither in months! Take your paranoia somewhere else.There are a lot of caring everyday people out there who have had little food or rest for themselves while caring for these horses and not one them is thinking about you and Your mistaken agenda.

  20. Holy smokes, what and where do your ideas come from? The man who ran this “rescue” simple stopped feeding his HIS horses and darn if they didn’t start dying. The people there trying to Help these horses have no other agenda than feeding and watering horses that have seen neither in months! Take your paranoia somewhere else.There are a lot of caring everyday people out there who have had little food or rest for themselves while caring for these horses and not one them is thinking about you and Your mistaken agenda.

  21. Holy smokes, what and where do your ideas come from? The man who ran this “rescue” simple stopped feeding his HIS horses and darn if they didn’t start dying. The people there trying to Help these horses have no other agenda than feeding and watering horses that have seen neither in months! Take your paranoia somewhere else.There are a lot of caring everyday people out there who have had little food or rest for themselves while caring for these horses and not one them is thinking about you and Your mistaken agenda.

  22. “Harvesting these old horses”?????? What a crock of BS. There are foals and yearlings in this bunch. This man abused and neglected these animals. I don’t think anyone twisted his arm to take them. He was too proud to ask for help when he got in over his head. Mr. Henkel, you make me want to vomit with your assumptions and misleading ideas. Get real, this is a case of animal abuse. Oh yeah, why do we butcher cattle and harvest horses?? No matter what you call it, horse slaughter is still INHUMANE!!!! BEEF, IT’S WHAT’S FOR DINNER!!! At least at my house.

  23. “Harvesting these old horses”?????? What a crock of BS. There are foals and yearlings in this bunch. This man abused and neglected these animals. I don’t think anyone twisted his arm to take them. He was too proud to ask for help when he got in over his head. Mr. Henkel, you make me want to vomit with your assumptions and misleading ideas. Get real, this is a case of animal abuse. Oh yeah, why do we butcher cattle and harvest horses?? No matter what you call it, horse slaughter is still INHUMANE!!!! BEEF, IT’S WHAT’S FOR DINNER!!! At least at my house.

  24. “Harvesting these old horses”?????? What a crock of BS. There are foals and yearlings in this bunch. This man abused and neglected these animals. I don’t think anyone twisted his arm to take them. He was too proud to ask for help when he got in over his head. Mr. Henkel, you make me want to vomit with your assumptions and misleading ideas. Get real, this is a case of animal abuse. Oh yeah, why do we butcher cattle and harvest horses?? No matter what you call it, horse slaughter is still INHUMANE!!!! BEEF, IT’S WHAT’S FOR DINNER!!! At least at my house.

  25. Craig Henkel, you are as pathetic as the mismanagement of BLM. This is where the source of the mustangs’ plight lays… the good almighty BLM. There are no unwanted horses, only mismanaged ones, taken from the range where they belong and where there is sufficient space/resources for them to begin with. All data presented by BLM and their croonies are misrepresentations of true facts. Maybe you ought to do your homework and read up on this.
    Read this: Craig C. Downer, Wildlife Ecologist, Author: Wild Horses: Living Symbols of Freedom

    Wild horses belong in the wild. Period.

  26. Craig Henkel, you are as pathetic as the mismanagement of BLM. This is where the source of the mustangs’ plight lays… the good almighty BLM. There are no unwanted horses, only mismanaged ones, taken from the range where they belong and where there is sufficient space/resources for them to begin with. All data presented by BLM and their croonies are misrepresentations of true facts. Maybe you ought to do your homework and read up on this.
    Read this: Craig C. Downer, Wildlife Ecologist, Author: Wild Horses: Living Symbols of Freedom

    Wild horses belong in the wild. Period.

  27. Craig Henkel, you are as pathetic as the mismanagement of BLM. This is where the source of the mustangs’ plight lays… the good almighty BLM. There are no unwanted horses, only mismanaged ones, taken from the range where they belong and where there is sufficient space/resources for them to begin with. All data presented by BLM and their croonies are misrepresentations of true facts. Maybe you ought to do your homework and read up on this.
    Read this: Craig C. Downer, Wildlife Ecologist, Author: Wild Horses: Living Symbols of Freedom

    Wild horses belong in the wild. Period.

  28. Mr. Henkel, what an excellent job of fabricating facts. Crops are harvested, not living beings. What happened at 3 Strikes has no relation to the availability of slaughter.

    You are correct with one point – it could have been avoided. If the mustangs weren’t removed from their land in the first place so more cattle could be added to the 6 million, this wouldn’t have happened.

    I’m sure Jerry Finch at Habitat for Horses and Jill Start at LifeSavers Wild Horse Rescue appreciate your overlooking the fact that they dropped everything to head to NE to help the horses. That’s what they do – put the horses first – something that you obviously don’t understand.

  29. Mr. Henkel, what an excellent job of fabricating facts. Crops are harvested, not living beings. What happened at 3 Strikes has no relation to the availability of slaughter.

    You are correct with one point – it could have been avoided. If the mustangs weren’t removed from their land in the first place so more cattle could be added to the 6 million, this wouldn’t have happened.

    I’m sure Jerry Finch at Habitat for Horses and Jill Start at LifeSavers Wild Horse Rescue appreciate your overlooking the fact that they dropped everything to head to NE to help the horses. That’s what they do – put the horses first – something that you obviously don’t understand.

  30. Mr. Henkel, what an excellent job of fabricating facts. Crops are harvested, not living beings. What happened at 3 Strikes has no relation to the availability of slaughter.

    You are correct with one point – it could have been avoided. If the mustangs weren’t removed from their land in the first place so more cattle could be added to the 6 million, this wouldn’t have happened.

    I’m sure Jerry Finch at Habitat for Horses and Jill Start at LifeSavers Wild Horse Rescue appreciate your overlooking the fact that they dropped everything to head to NE to help the horses. That’s what they do – put the horses first – something that you obviously don’t understand.

  31. Post
    Author

    In defense of Mr. Henkel…
    Craig Henkel is an individual that truly cares about the well-being of these horses. The reason he wrote so passionately in his message was to ignite action, intelligent conversation and debate about the issues of mistreatment of animals, the loss of horse slaughter for old, ill and unwanted horses and the dangers of the HSUS’s agenda to abolish animal agriculture.

    I agree that horses should never be mistreated, and I sincerely wish that this situation wouldn’t have occurred. However, I believe the HSUS is there to gain media attention to push forward other items on their agenda. I believe animals have rights. They have rights to a quality life with adequate food, water, space and shelter. However, I don’t believe animals should be treated “humanely.” This means they are like humans, which they are not. I’m disappointed that this rancher didn’t ask for help when he needed it, and I’m sad to know that there are so many old and crippled horses that have no place to go. I don’t stand beside the bad apples in the agriculture industry, but I don’t believe all ranchers should be lumped into these situations. There are food producers that dedicate their lives as stewards of the land and care givers to livestock.

    Finally, by posting this message, I was hoping to keep everyone informed of this situation. I will post updates as they progress. Word is these horses will be out of the fairgrounds by Sunday and will be adopted and shipped to Texas next week. I appreciate the discussion on this blog post, and I hope that the truth will be unveiled as the story unfolds.

    Respectfully,

    Amanda Nolz

  32. Post
    Author

    In defense of Mr. Henkel…
    Craig Henkel is an individual that truly cares about the well-being of these horses. The reason he wrote so passionately in his message was to ignite action, intelligent conversation and debate about the issues of mistreatment of animals, the loss of horse slaughter for old, ill and unwanted horses and the dangers of the HSUS’s agenda to abolish animal agriculture.

    I agree that horses should never be mistreated, and I sincerely wish that this situation wouldn’t have occurred. However, I believe the HSUS is there to gain media attention to push forward other items on their agenda. I believe animals have rights. They have rights to a quality life with adequate food, water, space and shelter. However, I don’t believe animals should be treated “humanely.” This means they are like humans, which they are not. I’m disappointed that this rancher didn’t ask for help when he needed it, and I’m sad to know that there are so many old and crippled horses that have no place to go. I don’t stand beside the bad apples in the agriculture industry, but I don’t believe all ranchers should be lumped into these situations. There are food producers that dedicate their lives as stewards of the land and care givers to livestock.

    Finally, by posting this message, I was hoping to keep everyone informed of this situation. I will post updates as they progress. Word is these horses will be out of the fairgrounds by Sunday and will be adopted and shipped to Texas next week. I appreciate the discussion on this blog post, and I hope that the truth will be unveiled as the story unfolds.

    Respectfully,

    Amanda Nolz

  33. Post
    Author

    In defense of Mr. Henkel…
    Craig Henkel is an individual that truly cares about the well-being of these horses. The reason he wrote so passionately in his message was to ignite action, intelligent conversation and debate about the issues of mistreatment of animals, the loss of horse slaughter for old, ill and unwanted horses and the dangers of the HSUS’s agenda to abolish animal agriculture.

    I agree that horses should never be mistreated, and I sincerely wish that this situation wouldn’t have occurred. However, I believe the HSUS is there to gain media attention to push forward other items on their agenda. I believe animals have rights. They have rights to a quality life with adequate food, water, space and shelter. However, I don’t believe animals should be treated “humanely.” This means they are like humans, which they are not. I’m disappointed that this rancher didn’t ask for help when he needed it, and I’m sad to know that there are so many old and crippled horses that have no place to go. I don’t stand beside the bad apples in the agriculture industry, but I don’t believe all ranchers should be lumped into these situations. There are food producers that dedicate their lives as stewards of the land and care givers to livestock.

    Finally, by posting this message, I was hoping to keep everyone informed of this situation. I will post updates as they progress. Word is these horses will be out of the fairgrounds by Sunday and will be adopted and shipped to Texas next week. I appreciate the discussion on this blog post, and I hope that the truth will be unveiled as the story unfolds.

    Respectfully,

    Amanda Nolz

  34. Jason neglecting these horses has nothing to do with horse slaughter.
    Sure, the midwest is Pro Slaughter, and the vet ( Furman) even mentioned
    in conversation, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY CLOSED DOWN THE SLAUGHTER PLANTS,. That is when I interrupted the conversation.

    SO? closing slaughter plants, what does that have to do with anything?

    Mr. Henkel, where do you get your information? Better check it again,
    or is it from Sue Wallis?

    If you knew much of anything these horses WERE NOT OLD, AND SICK AND THIN. And you are one sorry soul to give incorrect information on this story. If you knew anything at all, the kill buyers want the horses fat, healthy and young. the average horse that goes to slaughter now from the UNITED STATES is 7 years old.

    Yes they still slaughter our AMERICAN HORSES.Mostly Quarter Horses

    This is total irresponsibility on Jasons part just as it is for those that
    over breed. The racing industry over breeds; or have you not seen the paper lately about that seizure in New York?

    Notice the big problems with horses, that they are Hoarders and even kill buyers busted with horses dying and neglected.
    Hello, the kill buyer form the NW had chances to haul them to Canada.
    Yet she starved them.

    Notice the economy lately? ALL THE BREEDERS ARE GETTING HIT HARD.
    Is that the fault of the HSUS? I am sure it is!!!!!!!!!!!

    Dog and cats are everywhere burdening the shelters, and the breeders
    now come out of the woodwork because of the economy.

    I wonder how much the cattlemen pay your sorry self to give misinformation?

    What have the horses done to mankind to deserve this? Not a Darn thing.

    21 Polo Ponies killed by some human, oh gosh, is it because the slaughter plants closed in the United States?

    The BLM have killed enough of our wild horses and whatever is Jason’s problem, who knows. It is all GREED.
    HORSES ARE USED FOR HUMAN GREED.

    Foreign companies want to open slaughter plants for THEIR BENEFIT.
    And the Americans will pay the price dearly.

    Henkel, you are one disgusting ‘person.” If Person can even be used.
    Get the Facts in the future.

  35. Jason neglecting these horses has nothing to do with horse slaughter.
    Sure, the midwest is Pro Slaughter, and the vet ( Furman) even mentioned
    in conversation, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY CLOSED DOWN THE SLAUGHTER PLANTS,. That is when I interrupted the conversation.

    SO? closing slaughter plants, what does that have to do with anything?

    Mr. Henkel, where do you get your information? Better check it again,
    or is it from Sue Wallis?

    If you knew much of anything these horses WERE NOT OLD, AND SICK AND THIN. And you are one sorry soul to give incorrect information on this story. If you knew anything at all, the kill buyers want the horses fat, healthy and young. the average horse that goes to slaughter now from the UNITED STATES is 7 years old.

    Yes they still slaughter our AMERICAN HORSES.Mostly Quarter Horses

    This is total irresponsibility on Jasons part just as it is for those that
    over breed. The racing industry over breeds; or have you not seen the paper lately about that seizure in New York?

    Notice the big problems with horses, that they are Hoarders and even kill buyers busted with horses dying and neglected.
    Hello, the kill buyer form the NW had chances to haul them to Canada.
    Yet she starved them.

    Notice the economy lately? ALL THE BREEDERS ARE GETTING HIT HARD.
    Is that the fault of the HSUS? I am sure it is!!!!!!!!!!!

    Dog and cats are everywhere burdening the shelters, and the breeders
    now come out of the woodwork because of the economy.

    I wonder how much the cattlemen pay your sorry self to give misinformation?

    What have the horses done to mankind to deserve this? Not a Darn thing.

    21 Polo Ponies killed by some human, oh gosh, is it because the slaughter plants closed in the United States?

    The BLM have killed enough of our wild horses and whatever is Jason’s problem, who knows. It is all GREED.
    HORSES ARE USED FOR HUMAN GREED.

    Foreign companies want to open slaughter plants for THEIR BENEFIT.
    And the Americans will pay the price dearly.

    Henkel, you are one disgusting ‘person.” If Person can even be used.
    Get the Facts in the future.

  36. Jason neglecting these horses has nothing to do with horse slaughter.
    Sure, the midwest is Pro Slaughter, and the vet ( Furman) even mentioned
    in conversation, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY CLOSED DOWN THE SLAUGHTER PLANTS,. That is when I interrupted the conversation.

    SO? closing slaughter plants, what does that have to do with anything?

    Mr. Henkel, where do you get your information? Better check it again,
    or is it from Sue Wallis?

    If you knew much of anything these horses WERE NOT OLD, AND SICK AND THIN. And you are one sorry soul to give incorrect information on this story. If you knew anything at all, the kill buyers want the horses fat, healthy and young. the average horse that goes to slaughter now from the UNITED STATES is 7 years old.

    Yes they still slaughter our AMERICAN HORSES.Mostly Quarter Horses

    This is total irresponsibility on Jasons part just as it is for those that
    over breed. The racing industry over breeds; or have you not seen the paper lately about that seizure in New York?

    Notice the big problems with horses, that they are Hoarders and even kill buyers busted with horses dying and neglected.
    Hello, the kill buyer form the NW had chances to haul them to Canada.
    Yet she starved them.

    Notice the economy lately? ALL THE BREEDERS ARE GETTING HIT HARD.
    Is that the fault of the HSUS? I am sure it is!!!!!!!!!!!

    Dog and cats are everywhere burdening the shelters, and the breeders
    now come out of the woodwork because of the economy.

    I wonder how much the cattlemen pay your sorry self to give misinformation?

    What have the horses done to mankind to deserve this? Not a Darn thing.

    21 Polo Ponies killed by some human, oh gosh, is it because the slaughter plants closed in the United States?

    The BLM have killed enough of our wild horses and whatever is Jason’s problem, who knows. It is all GREED.
    HORSES ARE USED FOR HUMAN GREED.

    Foreign companies want to open slaughter plants for THEIR BENEFIT.
    And the Americans will pay the price dearly.

    Henkel, you are one disgusting ‘person.” If Person can even be used.
    Get the Facts in the future.

  37. Amanda,

    HSUS sent 12 people there from their disaster team to get these horses out with as many lives saved as possible. They were alerted to this situation a month or more ago because of the magnitude of the problem. Seizures on this scale require emergency management and that is what these groups are doing. This problem has nothing to do with the slaughter issue-none of these horses was going to slaughter and none will be going to slaughter. This has to do with an individual that apparently lacked the skills to manage animals and forage conditions, and was willing to allow his animals to starve on more than one occasion. This is arrogance and animal abuse and nothing more. This has occurred likely since animals were domesticated and it will continue-it is not a new phenomenon. It has nothing to do with availability of slaughter within the US.

  38. Amanda,

    HSUS sent 12 people there from their disaster team to get these horses out with as many lives saved as possible. They were alerted to this situation a month or more ago because of the magnitude of the problem. Seizures on this scale require emergency management and that is what these groups are doing. This problem has nothing to do with the slaughter issue-none of these horses was going to slaughter and none will be going to slaughter. This has to do with an individual that apparently lacked the skills to manage animals and forage conditions, and was willing to allow his animals to starve on more than one occasion. This is arrogance and animal abuse and nothing more. This has occurred likely since animals were domesticated and it will continue-it is not a new phenomenon. It has nothing to do with availability of slaughter within the US.

  39. Amanda,

    HSUS sent 12 people there from their disaster team to get these horses out with as many lives saved as possible. They were alerted to this situation a month or more ago because of the magnitude of the problem. Seizures on this scale require emergency management and that is what these groups are doing. This problem has nothing to do with the slaughter issue-none of these horses was going to slaughter and none will be going to slaughter. This has to do with an individual that apparently lacked the skills to manage animals and forage conditions, and was willing to allow his animals to starve on more than one occasion. This is arrogance and animal abuse and nothing more. This has occurred likely since animals were domesticated and it will continue-it is not a new phenomenon. It has nothing to do with availability of slaughter within the US.

  40. Sorry Amanda, your understanding of the words “humane” or “humanely” is incorrect. Neither word means or implies animals are like humans or draws any sort of relationship between the two.

    Humanely is definied by several major dictionaries as:
    – Characterized by kindness, mercy, or compassion
    – Characterized by tenderness, compassion, and sympathy for people and animals, esp. for the suffering or distressed
    – Marked by compassion, sympathy, or consideration for humans or animals

    Now, you are certainly free to argue and believe that animals are entitled to food, water and shelter, but are not entitled to compassion or kindness. That is your right.

    I have to wonder about the connections being drawn between the slaughter plants being closed and these horses. And the connection being drawn between the guy running this horse ranch and food producing ranchers, too.

    There is zero indication that this guy was sending old, unwanted horses off to slaughter and now that the plants are closed, he was forced to let them starve (he claims they were poisoned, by the way). And how many true food producing ranchers do you know that distribute shirtless photos of themselves with their livestock?

    Honest to goodness ranchers aren’t under attack here. Local authorities called in a rescue, who in turn called in the HSUS for help. So instead of the slippery slope, chicken little “OMG THEY’RE GOING TO BAN BEEF” nonsense, just call it like it is – an animal hoarding crackpot who just happens to wear wranglers and call himself a cowboy got busted for animal abuse. End of story.

  41. Sorry Amanda, your understanding of the words “humane” or “humanely” is incorrect. Neither word means or implies animals are like humans or draws any sort of relationship between the two.

    Humanely is definied by several major dictionaries as:
    – Characterized by kindness, mercy, or compassion
    – Characterized by tenderness, compassion, and sympathy for people and animals, esp. for the suffering or distressed
    – Marked by compassion, sympathy, or consideration for humans or animals

    Now, you are certainly free to argue and believe that animals are entitled to food, water and shelter, but are not entitled to compassion or kindness. That is your right.

    I have to wonder about the connections being drawn between the slaughter plants being closed and these horses. And the connection being drawn between the guy running this horse ranch and food producing ranchers, too.

    There is zero indication that this guy was sending old, unwanted horses off to slaughter and now that the plants are closed, he was forced to let them starve (he claims they were poisoned, by the way). And how many true food producing ranchers do you know that distribute shirtless photos of themselves with their livestock?

    Honest to goodness ranchers aren’t under attack here. Local authorities called in a rescue, who in turn called in the HSUS for help. So instead of the slippery slope, chicken little “OMG THEY’RE GOING TO BAN BEEF” nonsense, just call it like it is – an animal hoarding crackpot who just happens to wear wranglers and call himself a cowboy got busted for animal abuse. End of story.

  42. Sorry Amanda, your understanding of the words “humane” or “humanely” is incorrect. Neither word means or implies animals are like humans or draws any sort of relationship between the two.

    Humanely is definied by several major dictionaries as:
    – Characterized by kindness, mercy, or compassion
    – Characterized by tenderness, compassion, and sympathy for people and animals, esp. for the suffering or distressed
    – Marked by compassion, sympathy, or consideration for humans or animals

    Now, you are certainly free to argue and believe that animals are entitled to food, water and shelter, but are not entitled to compassion or kindness. That is your right.

    I have to wonder about the connections being drawn between the slaughter plants being closed and these horses. And the connection being drawn between the guy running this horse ranch and food producing ranchers, too.

    There is zero indication that this guy was sending old, unwanted horses off to slaughter and now that the plants are closed, he was forced to let them starve (he claims they were poisoned, by the way). And how many true food producing ranchers do you know that distribute shirtless photos of themselves with their livestock?

    Honest to goodness ranchers aren’t under attack here. Local authorities called in a rescue, who in turn called in the HSUS for help. So instead of the slippery slope, chicken little “OMG THEY’RE GOING TO BAN BEEF” nonsense, just call it like it is – an animal hoarding crackpot who just happens to wear wranglers and call himself a cowboy got busted for animal abuse. End of story.

  43. First, I would like to correct my misinformation; No BLM horses can be harvested, or slaughtered as some of you prefer.
    The rest of my comments are true.
    In reply to some of YOUR comments;
    1)I did not know this is the second time for “this moron”, maybe that’s where the name for the ranch comes? Anyone who abuses animals to this degree should never have the honor and priveledge of raising livestock.
    2)Yes, HSUS is here, and both they and PETA are wanting the end of meat consumption.
    3)Horse meat was not consumed in U.S. it was shipped abroad.
    4)If these ragged old horses are your “American Icons of Freedom”, you need to get your head out of the sand. If I were to pick an Icon of Freedom, I think I’d choose a veteran.
    5)If HSUS wanted to help these horses immedietly, why didn’t they get some feed to the ranch and get it to the animals. They could’ve gotten a better response from locals if HSUS wasn’t involved.
    6) The BLM land is land that no one could make a living from when the land was homesteaded. There is no use for it other than grazing, in order to return a dollar.
    7) Are some of you proposing birth control for the wild animals now?
    I can send some REAL cowboys to help you round up for the birth control experiment, right after they finish up here with HSUS.

  44. First, I would like to correct my misinformation; No BLM horses can be harvested, or slaughtered as some of you prefer.
    The rest of my comments are true.
    In reply to some of YOUR comments;
    1)I did not know this is the second time for “this moron”, maybe that’s where the name for the ranch comes? Anyone who abuses animals to this degree should never have the honor and priveledge of raising livestock.
    2)Yes, HSUS is here, and both they and PETA are wanting the end of meat consumption.
    3)Horse meat was not consumed in U.S. it was shipped abroad.
    4)If these ragged old horses are your “American Icons of Freedom”, you need to get your head out of the sand. If I were to pick an Icon of Freedom, I think I’d choose a veteran.
    5)If HSUS wanted to help these horses immedietly, why didn’t they get some feed to the ranch and get it to the animals. They could’ve gotten a better response from locals if HSUS wasn’t involved.
    6) The BLM land is land that no one could make a living from when the land was homesteaded. There is no use for it other than grazing, in order to return a dollar.
    7) Are some of you proposing birth control for the wild animals now?
    I can send some REAL cowboys to help you round up for the birth control experiment, right after they finish up here with HSUS.

  45. First, I would like to correct my misinformation; No BLM horses can be harvested, or slaughtered as some of you prefer.
    The rest of my comments are true.
    In reply to some of YOUR comments;
    1)I did not know this is the second time for “this moron”, maybe that’s where the name for the ranch comes? Anyone who abuses animals to this degree should never have the honor and priveledge of raising livestock.
    2)Yes, HSUS is here, and both they and PETA are wanting the end of meat consumption.
    3)Horse meat was not consumed in U.S. it was shipped abroad.
    4)If these ragged old horses are your “American Icons of Freedom”, you need to get your head out of the sand. If I were to pick an Icon of Freedom, I think I’d choose a veteran.
    5)If HSUS wanted to help these horses immedietly, why didn’t they get some feed to the ranch and get it to the animals. They could’ve gotten a better response from locals if HSUS wasn’t involved.
    6) The BLM land is land that no one could make a living from when the land was homesteaded. There is no use for it other than grazing, in order to return a dollar.
    7) Are some of you proposing birth control for the wild animals now?
    I can send some REAL cowboys to help you round up for the birth control experiment, right after they finish up here with HSUS.

  46. Thank you Craig for taking the time to comment.

    You’ve made one very good observation about these anti-animal ag folks that can’t be emphasized enough and that is how they like to find and observe isolated incidents like this one so they can sensationalize them instead of conducting immediate action to relieve the activity they claim to hate. I think it shows their lack of sincerity very clearly.

    Some of the people commenting need to realize that while they have strong emotions about this issue, so do the responsible people in agriculture and the horse business who are being painted with a broad brush thanks to these wacko groups who we see taking advantage of this situation.

    I’m glad I live in a country where we have the freedom to speak freely and the tools that allow this “conversation.” There are many that don’t. I applaud Amanda for the courage to post this and her comment. We’re proud of her.

    I’ll pick a veteran as an American Icon of Freedom any day too.

  47. Thank you Craig for taking the time to comment.

    You’ve made one very good observation about these anti-animal ag folks that can’t be emphasized enough and that is how they like to find and observe isolated incidents like this one so they can sensationalize them instead of conducting immediate action to relieve the activity they claim to hate. I think it shows their lack of sincerity very clearly.

    Some of the people commenting need to realize that while they have strong emotions about this issue, so do the responsible people in agriculture and the horse business who are being painted with a broad brush thanks to these wacko groups who we see taking advantage of this situation.

    I’m glad I live in a country where we have the freedom to speak freely and the tools that allow this “conversation.” There are many that don’t. I applaud Amanda for the courage to post this and her comment. We’re proud of her.

    I’ll pick a veteran as an American Icon of Freedom any day too.

  48. Thank you Craig for taking the time to comment.

    You’ve made one very good observation about these anti-animal ag folks that can’t be emphasized enough and that is how they like to find and observe isolated incidents like this one so they can sensationalize them instead of conducting immediate action to relieve the activity they claim to hate. I think it shows their lack of sincerity very clearly.

    Some of the people commenting need to realize that while they have strong emotions about this issue, so do the responsible people in agriculture and the horse business who are being painted with a broad brush thanks to these wacko groups who we see taking advantage of this situation.

    I’m glad I live in a country where we have the freedom to speak freely and the tools that allow this “conversation.” There are many that don’t. I applaud Amanda for the courage to post this and her comment. We’re proud of her.

    I’ll pick a veteran as an American Icon of Freedom any day too.

  49. Craig,

    You’re still making zero sense with your “HSUS is here, the sky is falling” commentary.

    Can you please draw a connection between the closure of the three horse slaughter plants and these starved horses? Seems this guy Jason has had this many horses for some time. Now it’s your opinion that people were dumping unwanted horses on the guy in such large numbers because of the slaughter plant closures that he had to let them all starve. Jason himself isn’t even making this claim – he says their poor condition is due to being poisoned. So is it that PETA and the HSUS are responsible for poisoning these horses just so they can get press?

    Instead of circling the wagons and letting the paranoia set in about the animal rights folks coming to take your livelihood away, you’d do a lot better to out the guy as an animal abuser, do what you can to help (you know, since you’re a good, caring rancher kinda guy) and publicize the fact that ranchers will not tolerate abuse in their community because they are good people. If y’all did this sort of thing within YOUR community, HSUS would get no support from anyone ever.

    I eat meat, wear leather and am A-OK with horse slaughter. What I have little tolerance for is this “humane harvesting” euphemism nonsense, the lie that only old, lame, unwanted horses go to slaughter and the ridiculous paranoia that the USA is going to be 100% vegan by 2012 if PETA has their way.

    And frankly, if PETA/HSUS does get their way, big Ag and the ranchers who support the “anything goes for almighty dollar” mentality will be to blame.

    Wanna win the fight with PETA/HSUS? Next time you have a downed cow with a broken leg or pelvis, don’t drag her outta the trailer, beating and prodding her, dragging her to her ultimate death. Get a video camera and film yourself shooting the cow to put her out of her misery and send her off to be rendered. Post THAT on YouTube with an explanation that yes, these things happen, it ain’t pretty for a city slicker, but it’s a hard fact about the business. But see here, most ranchers do the right, humane thing with their stock. 99.9% of America will understand that and PETA/HSUS will wither and die.

  50. Craig,

    You’re still making zero sense with your “HSUS is here, the sky is falling” commentary.

    Can you please draw a connection between the closure of the three horse slaughter plants and these starved horses? Seems this guy Jason has had this many horses for some time. Now it’s your opinion that people were dumping unwanted horses on the guy in such large numbers because of the slaughter plant closures that he had to let them all starve. Jason himself isn’t even making this claim – he says their poor condition is due to being poisoned. So is it that PETA and the HSUS are responsible for poisoning these horses just so they can get press?

    Instead of circling the wagons and letting the paranoia set in about the animal rights folks coming to take your livelihood away, you’d do a lot better to out the guy as an animal abuser, do what you can to help (you know, since you’re a good, caring rancher kinda guy) and publicize the fact that ranchers will not tolerate abuse in their community because they are good people. If y’all did this sort of thing within YOUR community, HSUS would get no support from anyone ever.

    I eat meat, wear leather and am A-OK with horse slaughter. What I have little tolerance for is this “humane harvesting” euphemism nonsense, the lie that only old, lame, unwanted horses go to slaughter and the ridiculous paranoia that the USA is going to be 100% vegan by 2012 if PETA has their way.

    And frankly, if PETA/HSUS does get their way, big Ag and the ranchers who support the “anything goes for almighty dollar” mentality will be to blame.

    Wanna win the fight with PETA/HSUS? Next time you have a downed cow with a broken leg or pelvis, don’t drag her outta the trailer, beating and prodding her, dragging her to her ultimate death. Get a video camera and film yourself shooting the cow to put her out of her misery and send her off to be rendered. Post THAT on YouTube with an explanation that yes, these things happen, it ain’t pretty for a city slicker, but it’s a hard fact about the business. But see here, most ranchers do the right, humane thing with their stock. 99.9% of America will understand that and PETA/HSUS will wither and die.

  51. Craig,

    You’re still making zero sense with your “HSUS is here, the sky is falling” commentary.

    Can you please draw a connection between the closure of the three horse slaughter plants and these starved horses? Seems this guy Jason has had this many horses for some time. Now it’s your opinion that people were dumping unwanted horses on the guy in such large numbers because of the slaughter plant closures that he had to let them all starve. Jason himself isn’t even making this claim – he says their poor condition is due to being poisoned. So is it that PETA and the HSUS are responsible for poisoning these horses just so they can get press?

    Instead of circling the wagons and letting the paranoia set in about the animal rights folks coming to take your livelihood away, you’d do a lot better to out the guy as an animal abuser, do what you can to help (you know, since you’re a good, caring rancher kinda guy) and publicize the fact that ranchers will not tolerate abuse in their community because they are good people. If y’all did this sort of thing within YOUR community, HSUS would get no support from anyone ever.

    I eat meat, wear leather and am A-OK with horse slaughter. What I have little tolerance for is this “humane harvesting” euphemism nonsense, the lie that only old, lame, unwanted horses go to slaughter and the ridiculous paranoia that the USA is going to be 100% vegan by 2012 if PETA has their way.

    And frankly, if PETA/HSUS does get their way, big Ag and the ranchers who support the “anything goes for almighty dollar” mentality will be to blame.

    Wanna win the fight with PETA/HSUS? Next time you have a downed cow with a broken leg or pelvis, don’t drag her outta the trailer, beating and prodding her, dragging her to her ultimate death. Get a video camera and film yourself shooting the cow to put her out of her misery and send her off to be rendered. Post THAT on YouTube with an explanation that yes, these things happen, it ain’t pretty for a city slicker, but it’s a hard fact about the business. But see here, most ranchers do the right, humane thing with their stock. 99.9% of America will understand that and PETA/HSUS will wither and die.

  52. Anyone remember the Pony Express that brought this country together through hours and miles with the mail that connected this nation? I doubt any of you do. If we were to have an icon of this nation it should have been the horse, not the Bald Eagle.

    These horses are BLM mustangs and cannot be sent to slaughter.Harvesting is just another word to make a bad thing sound nice. It is all the nice little words the Ag and pro slaughter people want us to think about when we think of horses for food production, but these animals are not a food source and never will be. America does not eat its horses and should not send them to Mexico or Canada for slaughter.

    From my sources no one knew about what was going on until three days ago and HSUS just got envolved today. The people that have been there has been Jerry Finch with Habitat for Horses and the volunteers that have been working day and night to save what is left.

    These horses are in the condition they are in because one man did not do right by these horses and should be punished to the full extent of state and federal laws.

  53. Anyone remember the Pony Express that brought this country together through hours and miles with the mail that connected this nation? I doubt any of you do. If we were to have an icon of this nation it should have been the horse, not the Bald Eagle.

    These horses are BLM mustangs and cannot be sent to slaughter.Harvesting is just another word to make a bad thing sound nice. It is all the nice little words the Ag and pro slaughter people want us to think about when we think of horses for food production, but these animals are not a food source and never will be. America does not eat its horses and should not send them to Mexico or Canada for slaughter.

    From my sources no one knew about what was going on until three days ago and HSUS just got envolved today. The people that have been there has been Jerry Finch with Habitat for Horses and the volunteers that have been working day and night to save what is left.

    These horses are in the condition they are in because one man did not do right by these horses and should be punished to the full extent of state and federal laws.

  54. Anyone remember the Pony Express that brought this country together through hours and miles with the mail that connected this nation? I doubt any of you do. If we were to have an icon of this nation it should have been the horse, not the Bald Eagle.

    These horses are BLM mustangs and cannot be sent to slaughter.Harvesting is just another word to make a bad thing sound nice. It is all the nice little words the Ag and pro slaughter people want us to think about when we think of horses for food production, but these animals are not a food source and never will be. America does not eat its horses and should not send them to Mexico or Canada for slaughter.

    From my sources no one knew about what was going on until three days ago and HSUS just got envolved today. The people that have been there has been Jerry Finch with Habitat for Horses and the volunteers that have been working day and night to save what is left.

    These horses are in the condition they are in because one man did not do right by these horses and should be punished to the full extent of state and federal laws.

  55. Here we go yet again!!!!

    Craig, you are very ill informed and obviously have not followed this story close.

    Habitat for horses went out there after confirmation of a problem and ended up in the position to round up hundreds of horses.

    Are you aware these are wild horses who need medical attention? Do you know what it takes to get these horses in chutes and get them out of there?

    Are you aware that HSUS has gone to LA (hurricane Katrina) and to CA (wildfires) to help get the horses there out of harms way and to safety? Mind you, those horses were owned by several different people.

    Here we have a situation of one man, who received funds for these horses, who, for whatever reason, did not care for them. Of course HSUS has every right to be there and should be there for these horses.

    This is an awful situation, we have the BLM rounding these horses up, expressing that they need to round them up because the grazing situation and lack of grazing on free roaming land. They then place them with Jason to train them and make them available for adoption. It is a tragedy that these horses were rounded up in the first place and if BLM is sincere in their “concern” then they just sentenced these horses to being starved to death. Personally, they would have had a better chance of survival if they were left alone to begin with. But then, that would take away land for the precious cattle. BTW, horses grazed for centuries on our land without a problem, now cattle has created the problem. Do some homework, see how cattle destroys the grass from the roots, not the horses. Yet, the horses get rounded up, go figure!

    Also, I want horse slaughter stopped, I am not a member of HSUS or PETA, I am an American who simply wants this stopped!

    BTW, these are NOT old and unwanted horses, did you see how many wild mustangs have been trained for border patrol by inmates? Do you homework and stop with the misinformed rant!

  56. Here we go yet again!!!!

    Craig, you are very ill informed and obviously have not followed this story close.

    Habitat for horses went out there after confirmation of a problem and ended up in the position to round up hundreds of horses.

    Are you aware these are wild horses who need medical attention? Do you know what it takes to get these horses in chutes and get them out of there?

    Are you aware that HSUS has gone to LA (hurricane Katrina) and to CA (wildfires) to help get the horses there out of harms way and to safety? Mind you, those horses were owned by several different people.

    Here we have a situation of one man, who received funds for these horses, who, for whatever reason, did not care for them. Of course HSUS has every right to be there and should be there for these horses.

    This is an awful situation, we have the BLM rounding these horses up, expressing that they need to round them up because the grazing situation and lack of grazing on free roaming land. They then place them with Jason to train them and make them available for adoption. It is a tragedy that these horses were rounded up in the first place and if BLM is sincere in their “concern” then they just sentenced these horses to being starved to death. Personally, they would have had a better chance of survival if they were left alone to begin with. But then, that would take away land for the precious cattle. BTW, horses grazed for centuries on our land without a problem, now cattle has created the problem. Do some homework, see how cattle destroys the grass from the roots, not the horses. Yet, the horses get rounded up, go figure!

    Also, I want horse slaughter stopped, I am not a member of HSUS or PETA, I am an American who simply wants this stopped!

    BTW, these are NOT old and unwanted horses, did you see how many wild mustangs have been trained for border patrol by inmates? Do you homework and stop with the misinformed rant!

  57. Here we go yet again!!!!

    Craig, you are very ill informed and obviously have not followed this story close.

    Habitat for horses went out there after confirmation of a problem and ended up in the position to round up hundreds of horses.

    Are you aware these are wild horses who need medical attention? Do you know what it takes to get these horses in chutes and get them out of there?

    Are you aware that HSUS has gone to LA (hurricane Katrina) and to CA (wildfires) to help get the horses there out of harms way and to safety? Mind you, those horses were owned by several different people.

    Here we have a situation of one man, who received funds for these horses, who, for whatever reason, did not care for them. Of course HSUS has every right to be there and should be there for these horses.

    This is an awful situation, we have the BLM rounding these horses up, expressing that they need to round them up because the grazing situation and lack of grazing on free roaming land. They then place them with Jason to train them and make them available for adoption. It is a tragedy that these horses were rounded up in the first place and if BLM is sincere in their “concern” then they just sentenced these horses to being starved to death. Personally, they would have had a better chance of survival if they were left alone to begin with. But then, that would take away land for the precious cattle. BTW, horses grazed for centuries on our land without a problem, now cattle has created the problem. Do some homework, see how cattle destroys the grass from the roots, not the horses. Yet, the horses get rounded up, go figure!

    Also, I want horse slaughter stopped, I am not a member of HSUS or PETA, I am an American who simply wants this stopped!

    BTW, these are NOT old and unwanted horses, did you see how many wild mustangs have been trained for border patrol by inmates? Do you homework and stop with the misinformed rant!

  58. Apparently some of you need me to type a little slower so you can understand.
    HSUS wants all animals liberated from their human captors. Just like the Star Trek and Planet of the Apes movies you watched as a kid, while I was out learning how to care for the Good Lord’s creatures.
    You see the Lord above gave me a brain and a heart to use for the betterment of mankind, with care and kindness I have the ability to feed many people around this entire world. I take the best care I can of his creatures, and they provide for you and I.
    I’m gonna come back here and post some links to more truth about HSUS, I can’t believe you guys think they are Ag’s friend. Maybe this crack problem has gotten out of control !!!!!
    How come HSUS sat on that video of animal abuse at the Chino California plant until it was more politically opportune for them to bring the case to light?
    If HSUS has been on this horse rescue story for “a month or so ago”, how come it just came to public notification two days ago?
    There is plentiful hay supplies in the very near vicinity, I would’ve gladly donated some, if HSUS wasn’t involved. Maybe they had to drag their feet until they were ready to handle the situation politically? I don’t know, why don’t you HSUS experts tell me?
    If anyone were to mishandle my livestock, I’d take action immediately and correct them and get them off the property. There is no room for politics when it comes to proper care of livestock.
    One of you above said “these horses were not old & sick & thin”, THEN WHAT IS THE RESCUE EFFORT FOR? How come there are piles of dead carcasses on the ranch?
    Slaughter houses want fat, healthy and young horses? Yes, there probably was a premium for them, but a thin old nag doesn’t have many other uses than Elmers glue either.
    And if a horse were to go to slaughter today, it would HAVE to be in darn good condition in order to make it across the border for a very very abusive(Mexico) end to their existence. To bad they can’t get a quick and humane end here in the U.S. anymore.
    Cattlemen didn’t pay me a thing to write what I did, THE TRUTH IS FREE !!!
    “Honest to goodness ranchers are not under attack here”, Give me a break. You guys (HSUS & PETA) are so good at lying. Have you ever considered a career in used car sales? I suppose you couldn’t sell something with leather seats though.
    “So is it that PETA & HSUS are responsible for poisoning these horses just so they can get press?” I wouldn’t doubt it. They’ve killed 90+% of the animals they “rescued” in ’08. But usually they don’t resort to such cruel methods of euthanizing the animals they “take in”. Maybe this way they have a scapegoat.
    “Anything goes for the almighty dollar”. That’s absurd. Ranchers have the responsibility of providing a safe, nutritious and affordable meal to the consumer. We don’t get that result by mistreating or abusing animals, period.
    How dare anyone put words in my mouth about how I would treat a down animal.
    I treat all animals with respect, under the watchful eye of the Lord above. He knows what’s in my heart at all times, and he gives me the strength and courage to give those animals the best I can to provide the best for the consumers. Even Jesus was a fisherman you know.
    How would I tie these horses to lack of harvesting facilities? Well, these horses were through the process of BLM adoption programs, and these particular horses were the ones that could not be adopted. Not adoptable because of bad attitude, disposition etc. So the BLM marked these horses with a “U”, as in UNFIT. They had to sell very cheap or give them away to ranches like the one in trouble now. HSUS has a contract with BLM for some part of these chain of events. I don’t remember where this link is, but it’s there.
    So now you have unfit horses roaming ranchland just existing until they get bad hooves and go lame to die and feed the coyotes, or they lose some teeth or wear the teeth off unevenly or completely wear the teeth off and can no longer eat properly and then they starve to death. An Icon of Freedom? Sounds like an inhumane death to me.
    Did you think their heart just gives out quietly at some ripe old age? You’re confusing animals with humans again.
    Best of luck.

  59. Apparently some of you need me to type a little slower so you can understand.
    HSUS wants all animals liberated from their human captors. Just like the Star Trek and Planet of the Apes movies you watched as a kid, while I was out learning how to care for the Good Lord’s creatures.
    You see the Lord above gave me a brain and a heart to use for the betterment of mankind, with care and kindness I have the ability to feed many people around this entire world. I take the best care I can of his creatures, and they provide for you and I.
    I’m gonna come back here and post some links to more truth about HSUS, I can’t believe you guys think they are Ag’s friend. Maybe this crack problem has gotten out of control !!!!!
    How come HSUS sat on that video of animal abuse at the Chino California plant until it was more politically opportune for them to bring the case to light?
    If HSUS has been on this horse rescue story for “a month or so ago”, how come it just came to public notification two days ago?
    There is plentiful hay supplies in the very near vicinity, I would’ve gladly donated some, if HSUS wasn’t involved. Maybe they had to drag their feet until they were ready to handle the situation politically? I don’t know, why don’t you HSUS experts tell me?
    If anyone were to mishandle my livestock, I’d take action immediately and correct them and get them off the property. There is no room for politics when it comes to proper care of livestock.
    One of you above said “these horses were not old & sick & thin”, THEN WHAT IS THE RESCUE EFFORT FOR? How come there are piles of dead carcasses on the ranch?
    Slaughter houses want fat, healthy and young horses? Yes, there probably was a premium for them, but a thin old nag doesn’t have many other uses than Elmers glue either.
    And if a horse were to go to slaughter today, it would HAVE to be in darn good condition in order to make it across the border for a very very abusive(Mexico) end to their existence. To bad they can’t get a quick and humane end here in the U.S. anymore.
    Cattlemen didn’t pay me a thing to write what I did, THE TRUTH IS FREE !!!
    “Honest to goodness ranchers are not under attack here”, Give me a break. You guys (HSUS & PETA) are so good at lying. Have you ever considered a career in used car sales? I suppose you couldn’t sell something with leather seats though.
    “So is it that PETA & HSUS are responsible for poisoning these horses just so they can get press?” I wouldn’t doubt it. They’ve killed 90+% of the animals they “rescued” in ’08. But usually they don’t resort to such cruel methods of euthanizing the animals they “take in”. Maybe this way they have a scapegoat.
    “Anything goes for the almighty dollar”. That’s absurd. Ranchers have the responsibility of providing a safe, nutritious and affordable meal to the consumer. We don’t get that result by mistreating or abusing animals, period.
    How dare anyone put words in my mouth about how I would treat a down animal.
    I treat all animals with respect, under the watchful eye of the Lord above. He knows what’s in my heart at all times, and he gives me the strength and courage to give those animals the best I can to provide the best for the consumers. Even Jesus was a fisherman you know.
    How would I tie these horses to lack of harvesting facilities? Well, these horses were through the process of BLM adoption programs, and these particular horses were the ones that could not be adopted. Not adoptable because of bad attitude, disposition etc. So the BLM marked these horses with a “U”, as in UNFIT. They had to sell very cheap or give them away to ranches like the one in trouble now. HSUS has a contract with BLM for some part of these chain of events. I don’t remember where this link is, but it’s there.
    So now you have unfit horses roaming ranchland just existing until they get bad hooves and go lame to die and feed the coyotes, or they lose some teeth or wear the teeth off unevenly or completely wear the teeth off and can no longer eat properly and then they starve to death. An Icon of Freedom? Sounds like an inhumane death to me.
    Did you think their heart just gives out quietly at some ripe old age? You’re confusing animals with humans again.
    Best of luck.

  60. Apparently some of you need me to type a little slower so you can understand.
    HSUS wants all animals liberated from their human captors. Just like the Star Trek and Planet of the Apes movies you watched as a kid, while I was out learning how to care for the Good Lord’s creatures.
    You see the Lord above gave me a brain and a heart to use for the betterment of mankind, with care and kindness I have the ability to feed many people around this entire world. I take the best care I can of his creatures, and they provide for you and I.
    I’m gonna come back here and post some links to more truth about HSUS, I can’t believe you guys think they are Ag’s friend. Maybe this crack problem has gotten out of control !!!!!
    How come HSUS sat on that video of animal abuse at the Chino California plant until it was more politically opportune for them to bring the case to light?
    If HSUS has been on this horse rescue story for “a month or so ago”, how come it just came to public notification two days ago?
    There is plentiful hay supplies in the very near vicinity, I would’ve gladly donated some, if HSUS wasn’t involved. Maybe they had to drag their feet until they were ready to handle the situation politically? I don’t know, why don’t you HSUS experts tell me?
    If anyone were to mishandle my livestock, I’d take action immediately and correct them and get them off the property. There is no room for politics when it comes to proper care of livestock.
    One of you above said “these horses were not old & sick & thin”, THEN WHAT IS THE RESCUE EFFORT FOR? How come there are piles of dead carcasses on the ranch?
    Slaughter houses want fat, healthy and young horses? Yes, there probably was a premium for them, but a thin old nag doesn’t have many other uses than Elmers glue either.
    And if a horse were to go to slaughter today, it would HAVE to be in darn good condition in order to make it across the border for a very very abusive(Mexico) end to their existence. To bad they can’t get a quick and humane end here in the U.S. anymore.
    Cattlemen didn’t pay me a thing to write what I did, THE TRUTH IS FREE !!!
    “Honest to goodness ranchers are not under attack here”, Give me a break. You guys (HSUS & PETA) are so good at lying. Have you ever considered a career in used car sales? I suppose you couldn’t sell something with leather seats though.
    “So is it that PETA & HSUS are responsible for poisoning these horses just so they can get press?” I wouldn’t doubt it. They’ve killed 90+% of the animals they “rescued” in ’08. But usually they don’t resort to such cruel methods of euthanizing the animals they “take in”. Maybe this way they have a scapegoat.
    “Anything goes for the almighty dollar”. That’s absurd. Ranchers have the responsibility of providing a safe, nutritious and affordable meal to the consumer. We don’t get that result by mistreating or abusing animals, period.
    How dare anyone put words in my mouth about how I would treat a down animal.
    I treat all animals with respect, under the watchful eye of the Lord above. He knows what’s in my heart at all times, and he gives me the strength and courage to give those animals the best I can to provide the best for the consumers. Even Jesus was a fisherman you know.
    How would I tie these horses to lack of harvesting facilities? Well, these horses were through the process of BLM adoption programs, and these particular horses were the ones that could not be adopted. Not adoptable because of bad attitude, disposition etc. So the BLM marked these horses with a “U”, as in UNFIT. They had to sell very cheap or give them away to ranches like the one in trouble now. HSUS has a contract with BLM for some part of these chain of events. I don’t remember where this link is, but it’s there.
    So now you have unfit horses roaming ranchland just existing until they get bad hooves and go lame to die and feed the coyotes, or they lose some teeth or wear the teeth off unevenly or completely wear the teeth off and can no longer eat properly and then they starve to death. An Icon of Freedom? Sounds like an inhumane death to me.
    Did you think their heart just gives out quietly at some ripe old age? You’re confusing animals with humans again.
    Best of luck.

  61. I can not believe the stupidity of Mr. Henkel’s opinion.

    According to the USDA over 92% of the horses sent to slaughter were young and in good condition – not old, sick and crippled. How can you possibly claim that it would ever be considered humane to ship crippled horses hundreds to thousands of miles to a slaughter plant while being packed into a trailer with 40 other equines? How could you believe it’s perfectly fine to introduce sick animals into the food supply? Not to mention the fact that horses are often given substances such as dewormers, steriods, bute and others that are banned from use in food producing animals.

    The situation with 3Strikes has absolutely nothing to do with the closure of the last three US horse slaughter facilities. This is evidenced by the fact that horses can still be sent to slaughter plants in Canada and Mexico. Meduna chose to starve these horses just as people choose to abandon and starve dogs and cats.

    Meduna was not capable or competent enough to care for hundreds of horses. One has to place at least some of the blame on the BLM. Why did they continue to send horses to 3Strikes without verifying the conditions of the existing horses?

    Ending the slaughter of American horses has absolutely nothing to do with consumption of cattle. Beef is, and always has been, the preferred meat choice of Americans. We’ve been fighting to end horse slaughter for decades and still haven’t accomplished this yet. It would take a centuries long effort to even begin to convince Americans to give up beef. It simply isn’t going to happen.

    With regard to the HSUS being in your ‘backyard’, the HSUS is a national organization, they’ve alway been in your backyard. Are you really so paranoid that you think that the 10+ NDART volunteers that are helping with the 3Strikes horses have such power that they will eliminate the consumption of beef in Nebraska before they leave? I believe they have enough to do with helping the horses.

    No Mr. Henkel, the sky is not falling although your illogical assumptions does make one question what exactly is in the air in Nebraska….

  62. I can not believe the stupidity of Mr. Henkel’s opinion.

    According to the USDA over 92% of the horses sent to slaughter were young and in good condition – not old, sick and crippled. How can you possibly claim that it would ever be considered humane to ship crippled horses hundreds to thousands of miles to a slaughter plant while being packed into a trailer with 40 other equines? How could you believe it’s perfectly fine to introduce sick animals into the food supply? Not to mention the fact that horses are often given substances such as dewormers, steriods, bute and others that are banned from use in food producing animals.

    The situation with 3Strikes has absolutely nothing to do with the closure of the last three US horse slaughter facilities. This is evidenced by the fact that horses can still be sent to slaughter plants in Canada and Mexico. Meduna chose to starve these horses just as people choose to abandon and starve dogs and cats.

    Meduna was not capable or competent enough to care for hundreds of horses. One has to place at least some of the blame on the BLM. Why did they continue to send horses to 3Strikes without verifying the conditions of the existing horses?

    Ending the slaughter of American horses has absolutely nothing to do with consumption of cattle. Beef is, and always has been, the preferred meat choice of Americans. We’ve been fighting to end horse slaughter for decades and still haven’t accomplished this yet. It would take a centuries long effort to even begin to convince Americans to give up beef. It simply isn’t going to happen.

    With regard to the HSUS being in your ‘backyard’, the HSUS is a national organization, they’ve alway been in your backyard. Are you really so paranoid that you think that the 10+ NDART volunteers that are helping with the 3Strikes horses have such power that they will eliminate the consumption of beef in Nebraska before they leave? I believe they have enough to do with helping the horses.

    No Mr. Henkel, the sky is not falling although your illogical assumptions does make one question what exactly is in the air in Nebraska….

  63. I can not believe the stupidity of Mr. Henkel’s opinion.

    According to the USDA over 92% of the horses sent to slaughter were young and in good condition – not old, sick and crippled. How can you possibly claim that it would ever be considered humane to ship crippled horses hundreds to thousands of miles to a slaughter plant while being packed into a trailer with 40 other equines? How could you believe it’s perfectly fine to introduce sick animals into the food supply? Not to mention the fact that horses are often given substances such as dewormers, steriods, bute and others that are banned from use in food producing animals.

    The situation with 3Strikes has absolutely nothing to do with the closure of the last three US horse slaughter facilities. This is evidenced by the fact that horses can still be sent to slaughter plants in Canada and Mexico. Meduna chose to starve these horses just as people choose to abandon and starve dogs and cats.

    Meduna was not capable or competent enough to care for hundreds of horses. One has to place at least some of the blame on the BLM. Why did they continue to send horses to 3Strikes without verifying the conditions of the existing horses?

    Ending the slaughter of American horses has absolutely nothing to do with consumption of cattle. Beef is, and always has been, the preferred meat choice of Americans. We’ve been fighting to end horse slaughter for decades and still haven’t accomplished this yet. It would take a centuries long effort to even begin to convince Americans to give up beef. It simply isn’t going to happen.

    With regard to the HSUS being in your ‘backyard’, the HSUS is a national organization, they’ve alway been in your backyard. Are you really so paranoid that you think that the 10+ NDART volunteers that are helping with the 3Strikes horses have such power that they will eliminate the consumption of beef in Nebraska before they leave? I believe they have enough to do with helping the horses.

    No Mr. Henkel, the sky is not falling although your illogical assumptions does make one question what exactly is in the air in Nebraska….

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    Author

    I think we can agree on one thing. The mistreatment of these animals is a sad, unfortunate event. With charges against the owner, I believe this situation should not go unpunished. The horse slaughter issue is definitely a multi-faceted issue that ignites passionate discussion amongst the readers.

    I want to applaud Mr. Henkel for his efforts to educate everyone about the secret agenda of the HSUS. Without a doubt, they are doing a good job at the ranch in helping to alleviate the situation, although I believe it is wrong that they are shipping the animals away. Why not give them the immediate care and attention they need right at the facilities? Why put them through more stress with shipment? My point is, HSUS may be there to save the day today, but the truth of the matter is, they are no friends to good, honest farmers and ranchers either. They want to abolish animal agriculture in this country, and I believe that is why Mr. Henkel so passionately distrusts the HSUS.

    Please remember to keep the comments respectful to ensure a quality debate. Mr. Henkel is a real person, and I don’t want anyone to forget that the words we type online are as hurtful as saying them to someone’s face. Thanks for the dialogue everyone. I will keep posting updates as the story unfolds. I’m praying these horses are getting the adequate care and medical attention they need and deserve.

    Respectfully,

    Amanda Nolz

  65. Post
    Author

    I think we can agree on one thing. The mistreatment of these animals is a sad, unfortunate event. With charges against the owner, I believe this situation should not go unpunished. The horse slaughter issue is definitely a multi-faceted issue that ignites passionate discussion amongst the readers.

    I want to applaud Mr. Henkel for his efforts to educate everyone about the secret agenda of the HSUS. Without a doubt, they are doing a good job at the ranch in helping to alleviate the situation, although I believe it is wrong that they are shipping the animals away. Why not give them the immediate care and attention they need right at the facilities? Why put them through more stress with shipment? My point is, HSUS may be there to save the day today, but the truth of the matter is, they are no friends to good, honest farmers and ranchers either. They want to abolish animal agriculture in this country, and I believe that is why Mr. Henkel so passionately distrusts the HSUS.

    Please remember to keep the comments respectful to ensure a quality debate. Mr. Henkel is a real person, and I don’t want anyone to forget that the words we type online are as hurtful as saying them to someone’s face. Thanks for the dialogue everyone. I will keep posting updates as the story unfolds. I’m praying these horses are getting the adequate care and medical attention they need and deserve.

    Respectfully,

    Amanda Nolz

  66. Post
    Author

    I think we can agree on one thing. The mistreatment of these animals is a sad, unfortunate event. With charges against the owner, I believe this situation should not go unpunished. The horse slaughter issue is definitely a multi-faceted issue that ignites passionate discussion amongst the readers.

    I want to applaud Mr. Henkel for his efforts to educate everyone about the secret agenda of the HSUS. Without a doubt, they are doing a good job at the ranch in helping to alleviate the situation, although I believe it is wrong that they are shipping the animals away. Why not give them the immediate care and attention they need right at the facilities? Why put them through more stress with shipment? My point is, HSUS may be there to save the day today, but the truth of the matter is, they are no friends to good, honest farmers and ranchers either. They want to abolish animal agriculture in this country, and I believe that is why Mr. Henkel so passionately distrusts the HSUS.

    Please remember to keep the comments respectful to ensure a quality debate. Mr. Henkel is a real person, and I don’t want anyone to forget that the words we type online are as hurtful as saying them to someone’s face. Thanks for the dialogue everyone. I will keep posting updates as the story unfolds. I’m praying these horses are getting the adequate care and medical attention they need and deserve.

    Respectfully,

    Amanda Nolz

  67. Bravo Amanda and Craig! Here’s a fact that isn’t mentioned… this guy that’s being hung has actually been rescuing horses since early 2005 AND actually had taken on animals from 3+ other rescues that went under – I’m not sure what happened (hard times and too proud?? Sad if that’s the case and not excusable)…. AND as for HSUS – they knew about this a month ago?? Didn’t do a damn thing… waited for Habitat for Horses to take on the unwanted horses and now are screaming they are the heros?? I’m sure their donations are rolling in once again!! Also note: the BLM immediately took the animal that they are legally responsible for AND THEY were the ones that started the investigation – without them, there would have been many more animals dead!

  68. Bravo Amanda and Craig! Here’s a fact that isn’t mentioned… this guy that’s being hung has actually been rescuing horses since early 2005 AND actually had taken on animals from 3+ other rescues that went under – I’m not sure what happened (hard times and too proud?? Sad if that’s the case and not excusable)…. AND as for HSUS – they knew about this a month ago?? Didn’t do a damn thing… waited for Habitat for Horses to take on the unwanted horses and now are screaming they are the heros?? I’m sure their donations are rolling in once again!! Also note: the BLM immediately took the animal that they are legally responsible for AND THEY were the ones that started the investigation – without them, there would have been many more animals dead!

  69. Bravo Amanda and Craig! Here’s a fact that isn’t mentioned… this guy that’s being hung has actually been rescuing horses since early 2005 AND actually had taken on animals from 3+ other rescues that went under – I’m not sure what happened (hard times and too proud?? Sad if that’s the case and not excusable)…. AND as for HSUS – they knew about this a month ago?? Didn’t do a damn thing… waited for Habitat for Horses to take on the unwanted horses and now are screaming they are the heros?? I’m sure their donations are rolling in once again!! Also note: the BLM immediately took the animal that they are legally responsible for AND THEY were the ones that started the investigation – without them, there would have been many more animals dead!

  70. Dear AG. Friends, I have absolutely no agenda for stopping the eating of a good steak and shudder when I see PETA involvement in anything. Their radical beliefs overshadow any of the good they have done.I do NOT believe horse slaughter is humane. Just a few questions to show the difference between horses and cattle–when was the last time you taught your child to ride on a steer?? When was the last time you went to see cows Run for the Roses?? When was the last time you went on a trail ride on a bull??? Have you run the barrels lately on a cow??? Horses are plain and simply different from cattle. Please quit confusing the two. I do put my money where my mouth is—-own 12 horses, 10 elderly, which according to you should have been sent to be “harvested”. Sincerely, “MissPat”

  71. Dear AG. Friends, I have absolutely no agenda for stopping the eating of a good steak and shudder when I see PETA involvement in anything. Their radical beliefs overshadow any of the good they have done.I do NOT believe horse slaughter is humane. Just a few questions to show the difference between horses and cattle–when was the last time you taught your child to ride on a steer?? When was the last time you went to see cows Run for the Roses?? When was the last time you went on a trail ride on a bull??? Have you run the barrels lately on a cow??? Horses are plain and simply different from cattle. Please quit confusing the two. I do put my money where my mouth is—-own 12 horses, 10 elderly, which according to you should have been sent to be “harvested”. Sincerely, “MissPat”

  72. Dear AG. Friends, I have absolutely no agenda for stopping the eating of a good steak and shudder when I see PETA involvement in anything. Their radical beliefs overshadow any of the good they have done.I do NOT believe horse slaughter is humane. Just a few questions to show the difference between horses and cattle–when was the last time you taught your child to ride on a steer?? When was the last time you went to see cows Run for the Roses?? When was the last time you went on a trail ride on a bull??? Have you run the barrels lately on a cow??? Horses are plain and simply different from cattle. Please quit confusing the two. I do put my money where my mouth is—-own 12 horses, 10 elderly, which according to you should have been sent to be “harvested”. Sincerely, “MissPat”

  73. This hysterical and emotion based piece shows that the writer has little factual information about horse slaughter. There are livestock auctions all over the U.S. where an irresponsible horse owner can sell their animal to slaughter so slaughter is still an option.

    According to USDA documents, however, over 90% of the American horses slaughtered are young, healthy, not lame, and in good weight. The foreign owned horse slaughter industry is not a public service for ill and starved horses. Think about it people–they are butchers who pay by the pound!

    The supporters of horse slaughter claim that everyone who wants a ban on horse slaughter must be a wild-eyed animal activist, a vegetarian, and a member of PETA. News Alert: The majority of Americans, in every poll taken, oppose horse slaughter and are not crazy activists, vegetarians, or members of PETA. Mr. Henkel and his defenders might consider lying down with a cool cloth on their foreheads until their feverish, misinformed conclusions have dissipated.

  74. This hysterical and emotion based piece shows that the writer has little factual information about horse slaughter. There are livestock auctions all over the U.S. where an irresponsible horse owner can sell their animal to slaughter so slaughter is still an option.

    According to USDA documents, however, over 90% of the American horses slaughtered are young, healthy, not lame, and in good weight. The foreign owned horse slaughter industry is not a public service for ill and starved horses. Think about it people–they are butchers who pay by the pound!

    The supporters of horse slaughter claim that everyone who wants a ban on horse slaughter must be a wild-eyed animal activist, a vegetarian, and a member of PETA. News Alert: The majority of Americans, in every poll taken, oppose horse slaughter and are not crazy activists, vegetarians, or members of PETA. Mr. Henkel and his defenders might consider lying down with a cool cloth on their foreheads until their feverish, misinformed conclusions have dissipated.

  75. This hysterical and emotion based piece shows that the writer has little factual information about horse slaughter. There are livestock auctions all over the U.S. where an irresponsible horse owner can sell their animal to slaughter so slaughter is still an option.

    According to USDA documents, however, over 90% of the American horses slaughtered are young, healthy, not lame, and in good weight. The foreign owned horse slaughter industry is not a public service for ill and starved horses. Think about it people–they are butchers who pay by the pound!

    The supporters of horse slaughter claim that everyone who wants a ban on horse slaughter must be a wild-eyed animal activist, a vegetarian, and a member of PETA. News Alert: The majority of Americans, in every poll taken, oppose horse slaughter and are not crazy activists, vegetarians, or members of PETA. Mr. Henkel and his defenders might consider lying down with a cool cloth on their foreheads until their feverish, misinformed conclusions have dissipated.

  76. HSUS is bad news anywhere anytime. If they are for it you can bet that any sane American will be against it. If they would spent just 10 percent of the funds they collect from people who don’t know or won’t believe the truth, for animal relief then these horses would not be a problem. hsus and peta kill thousands of animals annually. This is their agenda. No animal use period.

  77. HSUS is bad news anywhere anytime. If they are for it you can bet that any sane American will be against it. If they would spent just 10 percent of the funds they collect from people who don’t know or won’t believe the truth, for animal relief then these horses would not be a problem. hsus and peta kill thousands of animals annually. This is their agenda. No animal use period.

  78. HSUS is bad news anywhere anytime. If they are for it you can bet that any sane American will be against it. If they would spent just 10 percent of the funds they collect from people who don’t know or won’t believe the truth, for animal relief then these horses would not be a problem. hsus and peta kill thousands of animals annually. This is their agenda. No animal use period.

  79. Craig, I think that you have a very valid concern here, but the subject is one that invokes strong emotions. You are using rational, and the other perspective, being emotional, will not be swayed by your arguments.

    I’d like to know who has actually contributed money to feed these animals? I’m just guessing that the HSUS will be using this as propaganda to fund raise, but how much money have they actually contributed to this issue? How much do you suppose it costs to keep these animals alive? There is an animal rights group out there that bears full responsibility for those horses dying. Which one of you wants to take that responsibility?

  80. Craig, I think that you have a very valid concern here, but the subject is one that invokes strong emotions. You are using rational, and the other perspective, being emotional, will not be swayed by your arguments.

    I’d like to know who has actually contributed money to feed these animals? I’m just guessing that the HSUS will be using this as propaganda to fund raise, but how much money have they actually contributed to this issue? How much do you suppose it costs to keep these animals alive? There is an animal rights group out there that bears full responsibility for those horses dying. Which one of you wants to take that responsibility?

  81. Craig, I think that you have a very valid concern here, but the subject is one that invokes strong emotions. You are using rational, and the other perspective, being emotional, will not be swayed by your arguments.

    I’d like to know who has actually contributed money to feed these animals? I’m just guessing that the HSUS will be using this as propaganda to fund raise, but how much money have they actually contributed to this issue? How much do you suppose it costs to keep these animals alive? There is an animal rights group out there that bears full responsibility for those horses dying. Which one of you wants to take that responsibility?

  82. Truth is HSUS didnt help with the care because that is not part of their Program! They are about telling others what to do and how to do it.While sitting back and collecting money from people who have been fooled to think that money does go to feed animals like this.
    Check out the tax returns is all I can say.Truth can be seen.

  83. Truth is HSUS didnt help with the care because that is not part of their Program! They are about telling others what to do and how to do it.While sitting back and collecting money from people who have been fooled to think that money does go to feed animals like this.
    Check out the tax returns is all I can say.Truth can be seen.

  84. Truth is HSUS didnt help with the care because that is not part of their Program! They are about telling others what to do and how to do it.While sitting back and collecting money from people who have been fooled to think that money does go to feed animals like this.
    Check out the tax returns is all I can say.Truth can be seen.

  85. Craig, Seeing as how you can correct your miss information and feel that makes up for all the other untruths, I guess I can try to correct my misspoken words. What I meant to say was the wild horse is the Icon of the American Free Spirit, just look at all the car commercials and see how they show the horse running free on the range not hanging in a cold locker. I’m sure you will still find something wrong with that too but hay you think its OK to send horses to a torturous, suffering death. I do agree with you on one point, a Veteran should be the Icon of American Freedom. My Dad would have been proud to see that happen. But then if one is against war, they have their own ideas, as you have about horse slaughter being good for horses and that only the old, dangerous and sick horses are slaughtered. Maybe you should not be sitting at your computer and you should go out there and try to help instead of creating all this friction here. Go see for yourself how everyday people are helping these poor horses not just HSUS. Go out in the sun and see the light of day!

  86. Craig, Seeing as how you can correct your miss information and feel that makes up for all the other untruths, I guess I can try to correct my misspoken words. What I meant to say was the wild horse is the Icon of the American Free Spirit, just look at all the car commercials and see how they show the horse running free on the range not hanging in a cold locker. I’m sure you will still find something wrong with that too but hay you think its OK to send horses to a torturous, suffering death. I do agree with you on one point, a Veteran should be the Icon of American Freedom. My Dad would have been proud to see that happen. But then if one is against war, they have their own ideas, as you have about horse slaughter being good for horses and that only the old, dangerous and sick horses are slaughtered. Maybe you should not be sitting at your computer and you should go out there and try to help instead of creating all this friction here. Go see for yourself how everyday people are helping these poor horses not just HSUS. Go out in the sun and see the light of day!

  87. Craig, Seeing as how you can correct your miss information and feel that makes up for all the other untruths, I guess I can try to correct my misspoken words. What I meant to say was the wild horse is the Icon of the American Free Spirit, just look at all the car commercials and see how they show the horse running free on the range not hanging in a cold locker. I’m sure you will still find something wrong with that too but hay you think its OK to send horses to a torturous, suffering death. I do agree with you on one point, a Veteran should be the Icon of American Freedom. My Dad would have been proud to see that happen. But then if one is against war, they have their own ideas, as you have about horse slaughter being good for horses and that only the old, dangerous and sick horses are slaughtered. Maybe you should not be sitting at your computer and you should go out there and try to help instead of creating all this friction here. Go see for yourself how everyday people are helping these poor horses not just HSUS. Go out in the sun and see the light of day!

  88. Actually, Steve, Craig seems to be the one ranting emotionally at the moment. We all know HSUS has a political arm that has some wacky ideas, we are not idiots and most of us don’t agree with them at all. I’m not a member of PETA or HSUS and never will be. Again, I eat meat, wear leather and come from families that raised beef, meat birds, have laying hens and hunts, so your assumptions are just that, baseless ASSumptions. But that isn’t the point.

    Still, there is zero connection between these animals and the plant closures. The man is a hoarder and had no intention of sending those horses to slaughter even if there were a slaughter house in every county of the USA. He was “training” them with his own “method” and busy taking sexy pictures of himself on horseback and posting them online. Your point is not valid, sorry.

    And Craig, I didn’t say how you personally deal with your livestock. What I suggested was that if you don’t want to be put out of business by PETA/HSUS, that you, as in ALL ranchers, deal with animal processing (and abuse in the industry) out in the open. Show city slicker Americans that you work hard to bring food to their table efficiently, but with general respect for the animals. If ranchers in this area came together to expose this guy and to care for these horses, HSUS would never have the opportunity to step foot in that town. They’d have no pathetic video or photos to use for a fund raising campaign and press and the hardworking ranching folks would be the white hats.

    The more you pretend abuse doesn’t exist or the longer you spend pointing your fingers back at the people stepping up to care for animals in these situations, the stronger HSUS/PETA becomes. It’s not rocket science.

    And to Responsible Horse Lover, too proud? The guy has been begging for donations across the internet for ages. And he was getting loads of them. Without non-profit status. Lord only knows where the money went. In over his head or just an egotistical scam artist, hard to say.

    But as is often the case, using logic here is like screaming into the wind.

  89. Actually, Steve, Craig seems to be the one ranting emotionally at the moment. We all know HSUS has a political arm that has some wacky ideas, we are not idiots and most of us don’t agree with them at all. I’m not a member of PETA or HSUS and never will be. Again, I eat meat, wear leather and come from families that raised beef, meat birds, have laying hens and hunts, so your assumptions are just that, baseless ASSumptions. But that isn’t the point.

    Still, there is zero connection between these animals and the plant closures. The man is a hoarder and had no intention of sending those horses to slaughter even if there were a slaughter house in every county of the USA. He was “training” them with his own “method” and busy taking sexy pictures of himself on horseback and posting them online. Your point is not valid, sorry.

    And Craig, I didn’t say how you personally deal with your livestock. What I suggested was that if you don’t want to be put out of business by PETA/HSUS, that you, as in ALL ranchers, deal with animal processing (and abuse in the industry) out in the open. Show city slicker Americans that you work hard to bring food to their table efficiently, but with general respect for the animals. If ranchers in this area came together to expose this guy and to care for these horses, HSUS would never have the opportunity to step foot in that town. They’d have no pathetic video or photos to use for a fund raising campaign and press and the hardworking ranching folks would be the white hats.

    The more you pretend abuse doesn’t exist or the longer you spend pointing your fingers back at the people stepping up to care for animals in these situations, the stronger HSUS/PETA becomes. It’s not rocket science.

    And to Responsible Horse Lover, too proud? The guy has been begging for donations across the internet for ages. And he was getting loads of them. Without non-profit status. Lord only knows where the money went. In over his head or just an egotistical scam artist, hard to say.

    But as is often the case, using logic here is like screaming into the wind.

  90. Actually, Steve, Craig seems to be the one ranting emotionally at the moment. We all know HSUS has a political arm that has some wacky ideas, we are not idiots and most of us don’t agree with them at all. I’m not a member of PETA or HSUS and never will be. Again, I eat meat, wear leather and come from families that raised beef, meat birds, have laying hens and hunts, so your assumptions are just that, baseless ASSumptions. But that isn’t the point.

    Still, there is zero connection between these animals and the plant closures. The man is a hoarder and had no intention of sending those horses to slaughter even if there were a slaughter house in every county of the USA. He was “training” them with his own “method” and busy taking sexy pictures of himself on horseback and posting them online. Your point is not valid, sorry.

    And Craig, I didn’t say how you personally deal with your livestock. What I suggested was that if you don’t want to be put out of business by PETA/HSUS, that you, as in ALL ranchers, deal with animal processing (and abuse in the industry) out in the open. Show city slicker Americans that you work hard to bring food to their table efficiently, but with general respect for the animals. If ranchers in this area came together to expose this guy and to care for these horses, HSUS would never have the opportunity to step foot in that town. They’d have no pathetic video or photos to use for a fund raising campaign and press and the hardworking ranching folks would be the white hats.

    The more you pretend abuse doesn’t exist or the longer you spend pointing your fingers back at the people stepping up to care for animals in these situations, the stronger HSUS/PETA becomes. It’s not rocket science.

    And to Responsible Horse Lover, too proud? The guy has been begging for donations across the internet for ages. And he was getting loads of them. Without non-profit status. Lord only knows where the money went. In over his head or just an egotistical scam artist, hard to say.

    But as is often the case, using logic here is like screaming into the wind.

  91. Steve, I am like you. I wonder how much money HSUS will contribute to get these horses back to being healthy and how much BLM is willing to pay also. Was Jason paid monthly for the care of these BLM horses? If so why was it not enough to keep them in hay / feed? I would like to hear the media report on why HSUS didn’t do anything a month ago if they did indeed know. How many of those 60 dead horses where still alive then? Maybe the fatality count would not have been so high. People like Jason are afraid to call the authorities for help knowing that these animal rights groups only want to make them martyrs. Maybe he had no resources to feed the horses and had asked for help. That part of the story has not been told. I am not a supporter of Jason and do not know him. I just wonder where things went wrong. He obviously loves horses or he would never taken on this many horses. If you look at the numbers of horses slaughtered a year before the band and closure of slaughter plants in the U.S. it is well over that 60,000 mark and had been close to that for many years. It is those unwanted horses that are now in rescue facilities across the country or are being abandoned by owners because they are told that the rescue facility has a waiting list and it is either food on the table for their children or hay for the horse. Has congress made any financial commitment to help expand these rescue facilities and help pay for the expenses of these horses? I would guess that answer is no. I do not even know if there has even been viable discussion to provide financial help. Oh I forgot we bailed out the fat fanny’s and frank’s and so we have no money for horses. But truly, I wonder how much of the expense of this is going to come back to the county in Nebraska where this is happening. I am sure that as in most situations it will come back to the expense of the law enforcement that initially got permission from the county judge to remove these horses from the owner. In other words it will be the tax payer that pays for this one too…..
    Maybe providing Europe with a safe edible meat ( Cattle having MCD) isn’t so bad for the horse after all. It surely could not be any worse that being starved to death.

  92. Steve, I am like you. I wonder how much money HSUS will contribute to get these horses back to being healthy and how much BLM is willing to pay also. Was Jason paid monthly for the care of these BLM horses? If so why was it not enough to keep them in hay / feed? I would like to hear the media report on why HSUS didn’t do anything a month ago if they did indeed know. How many of those 60 dead horses where still alive then? Maybe the fatality count would not have been so high. People like Jason are afraid to call the authorities for help knowing that these animal rights groups only want to make them martyrs. Maybe he had no resources to feed the horses and had asked for help. That part of the story has not been told. I am not a supporter of Jason and do not know him. I just wonder where things went wrong. He obviously loves horses or he would never taken on this many horses. If you look at the numbers of horses slaughtered a year before the band and closure of slaughter plants in the U.S. it is well over that 60,000 mark and had been close to that for many years. It is those unwanted horses that are now in rescue facilities across the country or are being abandoned by owners because they are told that the rescue facility has a waiting list and it is either food on the table for their children or hay for the horse. Has congress made any financial commitment to help expand these rescue facilities and help pay for the expenses of these horses? I would guess that answer is no. I do not even know if there has even been viable discussion to provide financial help. Oh I forgot we bailed out the fat fanny’s and frank’s and so we have no money for horses. But truly, I wonder how much of the expense of this is going to come back to the county in Nebraska where this is happening. I am sure that as in most situations it will come back to the expense of the law enforcement that initially got permission from the county judge to remove these horses from the owner. In other words it will be the tax payer that pays for this one too…..
    Maybe providing Europe with a safe edible meat ( Cattle having MCD) isn’t so bad for the horse after all. It surely could not be any worse that being starved to death.

  93. Steve, I am like you. I wonder how much money HSUS will contribute to get these horses back to being healthy and how much BLM is willing to pay also. Was Jason paid monthly for the care of these BLM horses? If so why was it not enough to keep them in hay / feed? I would like to hear the media report on why HSUS didn’t do anything a month ago if they did indeed know. How many of those 60 dead horses where still alive then? Maybe the fatality count would not have been so high. People like Jason are afraid to call the authorities for help knowing that these animal rights groups only want to make them martyrs. Maybe he had no resources to feed the horses and had asked for help. That part of the story has not been told. I am not a supporter of Jason and do not know him. I just wonder where things went wrong. He obviously loves horses or he would never taken on this many horses. If you look at the numbers of horses slaughtered a year before the band and closure of slaughter plants in the U.S. it is well over that 60,000 mark and had been close to that for many years. It is those unwanted horses that are now in rescue facilities across the country or are being abandoned by owners because they are told that the rescue facility has a waiting list and it is either food on the table for their children or hay for the horse. Has congress made any financial commitment to help expand these rescue facilities and help pay for the expenses of these horses? I would guess that answer is no. I do not even know if there has even been viable discussion to provide financial help. Oh I forgot we bailed out the fat fanny’s and frank’s and so we have no money for horses. But truly, I wonder how much of the expense of this is going to come back to the county in Nebraska where this is happening. I am sure that as in most situations it will come back to the expense of the law enforcement that initially got permission from the county judge to remove these horses from the owner. In other words it will be the tax payer that pays for this one too…..
    Maybe providing Europe with a safe edible meat ( Cattle having MCD) isn’t so bad for the horse after all. It surely could not be any worse that being starved to death.

  94. Everyone has already thoroughly exhausted every possible topic for discussion and debate in the comments of this thread, but I’d just like to make one point: HSUS and PETA are *not* the same organization and have very different methods and goals. I’m not a part of either of these organizations so I can’t speak for them, but I daresay neither one wants to be confused with the other. The HSUS has no interest in preventing people from owning pets–rather, they encourage you to adopt and care for pets–and they’re not trying to destroy agriculture, they’re only trying to secure humane treatment for the animals on whom so many lives and livelihoods depend.

    I think treating animals with kindness is a goal everyone commenting here shares–as Amanda pointed out, the mistreatment of these animals is the crime and the tragedy here. Let’s just be thankful for any groups that are putting forth an effort to help–ranchers or animal welfare groups–regardless of whatever anyone may perceive as their motives for helping.

  95. Everyone has already thoroughly exhausted every possible topic for discussion and debate in the comments of this thread, but I’d just like to make one point: HSUS and PETA are *not* the same organization and have very different methods and goals. I’m not a part of either of these organizations so I can’t speak for them, but I daresay neither one wants to be confused with the other. The HSUS has no interest in preventing people from owning pets–rather, they encourage you to adopt and care for pets–and they’re not trying to destroy agriculture, they’re only trying to secure humane treatment for the animals on whom so many lives and livelihoods depend.

    I think treating animals with kindness is a goal everyone commenting here shares–as Amanda pointed out, the mistreatment of these animals is the crime and the tragedy here. Let’s just be thankful for any groups that are putting forth an effort to help–ranchers or animal welfare groups–regardless of whatever anyone may perceive as their motives for helping.

  96. Everyone has already thoroughly exhausted every possible topic for discussion and debate in the comments of this thread, but I’d just like to make one point: HSUS and PETA are *not* the same organization and have very different methods and goals. I’m not a part of either of these organizations so I can’t speak for them, but I daresay neither one wants to be confused with the other. The HSUS has no interest in preventing people from owning pets–rather, they encourage you to adopt and care for pets–and they’re not trying to destroy agriculture, they’re only trying to secure humane treatment for the animals on whom so many lives and livelihoods depend.

    I think treating animals with kindness is a goal everyone commenting here shares–as Amanda pointed out, the mistreatment of these animals is the crime and the tragedy here. Let’s just be thankful for any groups that are putting forth an effort to help–ranchers or animal welfare groups–regardless of whatever anyone may perceive as their motives for helping.

  97. Lynn, with all do respect, I think it has come across that Craig is involved with agriculture, probably quite deeply, and probably has more at stake in this than you.

    I am involved with ag too, and as I see it, now more than ever it is important to us, ag, to stand up for our beliefs and positions. Your views are not held exclusively by yourself, and knowingly or not, the policies and programs that you and others support have consequences that you may have no idea of. Without Craig speaking out, would you have known that there where even two sides to this issue? Craig has probably taken time to sit at his computer and stand up for what he believes, at the cost of time that he could be working on something profitable.

    I admire his standing up to what he, and others like him, believe is a threat to ag.

    I wonder if you may be best served by your own advice “Go out in the sun and see the light of day”. There is far more going on in this situation than meets the casual observer’s eye. Loose the bias, and dig a little for yourself

  98. Lynn, with all do respect, I think it has come across that Craig is involved with agriculture, probably quite deeply, and probably has more at stake in this than you.

    I am involved with ag too, and as I see it, now more than ever it is important to us, ag, to stand up for our beliefs and positions. Your views are not held exclusively by yourself, and knowingly or not, the policies and programs that you and others support have consequences that you may have no idea of. Without Craig speaking out, would you have known that there where even two sides to this issue? Craig has probably taken time to sit at his computer and stand up for what he believes, at the cost of time that he could be working on something profitable.

    I admire his standing up to what he, and others like him, believe is a threat to ag.

    I wonder if you may be best served by your own advice “Go out in the sun and see the light of day”. There is far more going on in this situation than meets the casual observer’s eye. Loose the bias, and dig a little for yourself

  99. Lynn, with all do respect, I think it has come across that Craig is involved with agriculture, probably quite deeply, and probably has more at stake in this than you.

    I am involved with ag too, and as I see it, now more than ever it is important to us, ag, to stand up for our beliefs and positions. Your views are not held exclusively by yourself, and knowingly or not, the policies and programs that you and others support have consequences that you may have no idea of. Without Craig speaking out, would you have known that there where even two sides to this issue? Craig has probably taken time to sit at his computer and stand up for what he believes, at the cost of time that he could be working on something profitable.

    I admire his standing up to what he, and others like him, believe is a threat to ag.

    I wonder if you may be best served by your own advice “Go out in the sun and see the light of day”. There is far more going on in this situation than meets the casual observer’s eye. Loose the bias, and dig a little for yourself

  100. Who can I call when I can’t afford to feed my horses because I have come upon hard times? Will HSUS, or Habitat for Horses, or at worst PETA send me some money to keep my horses fed until I get back on my feet financially so I dont have to choose between my horses or kids. I can go get some welfare for my family and become a tax burden just like these wild horses are becoming. I would haul my horses to a sale barn but some are no value and they want a deposit before unloading the horses. They will give me back the deposit if someone buys them. They say they need a deposit because if no one buys them they have to pay for removal of the no value horse from their sale facilities. I also have a 6yr old gelding that has become lame that I would like to let somebody have for the $3000 that he cost. This is a good looking registered quarter horse and broke to ride. If someone were willing to rescue this horse and give him a good home until he dies I would probably take $1500. I sure hope somebody will take me up on this offer as it makes me sick to have to put him down with a gun. The reason I want the money is so I can give another USEABLE horse a good home as long as you good people are willing to help me buy hay. If only there was a local slaughter plant I could haul him myself, and that way I know for sure that he wont have to endure someone buying him to ride or being hauled around the US until he finally meets the same gun I will have to use. Mr. Ed says 1100 miles to the end, loaded and unloaded, coggins tested and standing next to a back biter, OH thats right these are all nice horses I will be riding with on the trailer. Hey I will probably get to ride with a horse or two wearing a US freeze brand, as long as their owner had them long enough to get title. Sure hope I end up in Canada and not Mexico. Maybe they will turn me out in the road ditch were I can dodge cars or maybe dump me in a pasture, sure hope if the water freezes in the winter there is snow on the ground. Dont know where the end is but I hope it is quick. Some of you will say they cant haul a lame horse, but Im not that lame. I will get past any vet inspection for transportation. I just can’t do my owners work anymore but maybe one of you horse huggers will give me shelter for the next 18 or so yrs.

  101. Who can I call when I can’t afford to feed my horses because I have come upon hard times? Will HSUS, or Habitat for Horses, or at worst PETA send me some money to keep my horses fed until I get back on my feet financially so I dont have to choose between my horses or kids. I can go get some welfare for my family and become a tax burden just like these wild horses are becoming. I would haul my horses to a sale barn but some are no value and they want a deposit before unloading the horses. They will give me back the deposit if someone buys them. They say they need a deposit because if no one buys them they have to pay for removal of the no value horse from their sale facilities. I also have a 6yr old gelding that has become lame that I would like to let somebody have for the $3000 that he cost. This is a good looking registered quarter horse and broke to ride. If someone were willing to rescue this horse and give him a good home until he dies I would probably take $1500. I sure hope somebody will take me up on this offer as it makes me sick to have to put him down with a gun. The reason I want the money is so I can give another USEABLE horse a good home as long as you good people are willing to help me buy hay. If only there was a local slaughter plant I could haul him myself, and that way I know for sure that he wont have to endure someone buying him to ride or being hauled around the US until he finally meets the same gun I will have to use. Mr. Ed says 1100 miles to the end, loaded and unloaded, coggins tested and standing next to a back biter, OH thats right these are all nice horses I will be riding with on the trailer. Hey I will probably get to ride with a horse or two wearing a US freeze brand, as long as their owner had them long enough to get title. Sure hope I end up in Canada and not Mexico. Maybe they will turn me out in the road ditch were I can dodge cars or maybe dump me in a pasture, sure hope if the water freezes in the winter there is snow on the ground. Dont know where the end is but I hope it is quick. Some of you will say they cant haul a lame horse, but Im not that lame. I will get past any vet inspection for transportation. I just can’t do my owners work anymore but maybe one of you horse huggers will give me shelter for the next 18 or so yrs.

  102. Who can I call when I can’t afford to feed my horses because I have come upon hard times? Will HSUS, or Habitat for Horses, or at worst PETA send me some money to keep my horses fed until I get back on my feet financially so I dont have to choose between my horses or kids. I can go get some welfare for my family and become a tax burden just like these wild horses are becoming. I would haul my horses to a sale barn but some are no value and they want a deposit before unloading the horses. They will give me back the deposit if someone buys them. They say they need a deposit because if no one buys them they have to pay for removal of the no value horse from their sale facilities. I also have a 6yr old gelding that has become lame that I would like to let somebody have for the $3000 that he cost. This is a good looking registered quarter horse and broke to ride. If someone were willing to rescue this horse and give him a good home until he dies I would probably take $1500. I sure hope somebody will take me up on this offer as it makes me sick to have to put him down with a gun. The reason I want the money is so I can give another USEABLE horse a good home as long as you good people are willing to help me buy hay. If only there was a local slaughter plant I could haul him myself, and that way I know for sure that he wont have to endure someone buying him to ride or being hauled around the US until he finally meets the same gun I will have to use. Mr. Ed says 1100 miles to the end, loaded and unloaded, coggins tested and standing next to a back biter, OH thats right these are all nice horses I will be riding with on the trailer. Hey I will probably get to ride with a horse or two wearing a US freeze brand, as long as their owner had them long enough to get title. Sure hope I end up in Canada and not Mexico. Maybe they will turn me out in the road ditch were I can dodge cars or maybe dump me in a pasture, sure hope if the water freezes in the winter there is snow on the ground. Dont know where the end is but I hope it is quick. Some of you will say they cant haul a lame horse, but Im not that lame. I will get past any vet inspection for transportation. I just can’t do my owners work anymore but maybe one of you horse huggers will give me shelter for the next 18 or so yrs.

  103. wow anyone thinking the HSUS cares about helping animals would ask why they didnt take there millions to help feed the animals .
    the hsus is the biggest lie in the animal movement.
    if they cared they would set up ranches of there own to take in the unwanted horses the laws the forced threw created .
    the HSUS IS A TERRORIST GROUP AGAINST HUMANS.

  104. wow anyone thinking the HSUS cares about helping animals would ask why they didnt take there millions to help feed the animals .
    the hsus is the biggest lie in the animal movement.
    if they cared they would set up ranches of there own to take in the unwanted horses the laws the forced threw created .
    the HSUS IS A TERRORIST GROUP AGAINST HUMANS.

  105. wow anyone thinking the HSUS cares about helping animals would ask why they didnt take there millions to help feed the animals .
    the hsus is the biggest lie in the animal movement.
    if they cared they would set up ranches of there own to take in the unwanted horses the laws the forced threw created .
    the HSUS IS A TERRORIST GROUP AGAINST HUMANS.

  106. It never ceases to amaze me that people cannot participate in a civil discourse but can only respond by making ad hominem attacks on the person they disagree with. I speak directly to Sharon, Joyce and Nona.
    I’m sure you are all left-leaning; is that your idea of tolerance? Call people stupid or disgusting because they disagree with you?

    Several people have said that the BLM doesn’t need to get rid of any of the horses on public land. I don’t know where that misinformation comes from. but it is wrong. The public lands out west provide poor quality vegetation and are horribly overgrazed. The only way to manage the range is to limit the number of livestock.

    This particular incident doesn’t have anything to do with the ban on horse slaughter since the owner was buying these horses to try to resell them. That does not change the fact that the ban will have serious repercussions and will result in this sort of thing happening again.

  107. It never ceases to amaze me that people cannot participate in a civil discourse but can only respond by making ad hominem attacks on the person they disagree with. I speak directly to Sharon, Joyce and Nona.
    I’m sure you are all left-leaning; is that your idea of tolerance? Call people stupid or disgusting because they disagree with you?

    Several people have said that the BLM doesn’t need to get rid of any of the horses on public land. I don’t know where that misinformation comes from. but it is wrong. The public lands out west provide poor quality vegetation and are horribly overgrazed. The only way to manage the range is to limit the number of livestock.

    This particular incident doesn’t have anything to do with the ban on horse slaughter since the owner was buying these horses to try to resell them. That does not change the fact that the ban will have serious repercussions and will result in this sort of thing happening again.

  108. It never ceases to amaze me that people cannot participate in a civil discourse but can only respond by making ad hominem attacks on the person they disagree with. I speak directly to Sharon, Joyce and Nona.
    I’m sure you are all left-leaning; is that your idea of tolerance? Call people stupid or disgusting because they disagree with you?

    Several people have said that the BLM doesn’t need to get rid of any of the horses on public land. I don’t know where that misinformation comes from. but it is wrong. The public lands out west provide poor quality vegetation and are horribly overgrazed. The only way to manage the range is to limit the number of livestock.

    This particular incident doesn’t have anything to do with the ban on horse slaughter since the owner was buying these horses to try to resell them. That does not change the fact that the ban will have serious repercussions and will result in this sort of thing happening again.

  109. The same day this story broke in the local press, there was also a story about a 3 month old child murdered by her own father. When you animal right wackos exhibit the same distain for the loss of human life, especially the most vulnerable among us, the unborn, as you show for these horses, then we can have an intelligent conversation. You pick and choose what form of life you will protect, which shows your bias. Most animal rights groups are also mostly pro-abortion. When you examine your values on the whole, you are found wanting.

  110. The same day this story broke in the local press, there was also a story about a 3 month old child murdered by her own father. When you animal right wackos exhibit the same distain for the loss of human life, especially the most vulnerable among us, the unborn, as you show for these horses, then we can have an intelligent conversation. You pick and choose what form of life you will protect, which shows your bias. Most animal rights groups are also mostly pro-abortion. When you examine your values on the whole, you are found wanting.

  111. The same day this story broke in the local press, there was also a story about a 3 month old child murdered by her own father. When you animal right wackos exhibit the same distain for the loss of human life, especially the most vulnerable among us, the unborn, as you show for these horses, then we can have an intelligent conversation. You pick and choose what form of life you will protect, which shows your bias. Most animal rights groups are also mostly pro-abortion. When you examine your values on the whole, you are found wanting.

  112. Boy, some of you folks are absolutely paranoid and or misinformed or intentionally putting some of the most moronic trash in print I have ever seen.

    Seems people with many different backgrounds and mindsets found a way to come together to help out with this disgusting situation. Others seem to take the opportunity to bash HSUS and whine about no domestic horse slaughter plants (sorry, we still have them here…you don’t get paid for it and it isn’t sold for human consumption). Disjointed, feeble attempt at some type of “protect all aspects of ag at all costs” mentality. Clean up our traditional meat biz first before you get off on some tangent that human consumption horse slaughter is a lynchpin in your ag operation. Of course that doesn’t hold for the horse slaughter auction (New Holland, Sugarcreek, etc), the transporters or the KBs…it is their business. They don’t provide a service. They provide a few cruddy bucks and convenience for the seller with a decent payout. If it didn’t, they wouldn’t do it.

    BLM needs to stop rounding up Mustangs until they have a complete, verifiable, humane program in place. But you know what…they still are doing round ups with no place for the horse/burros to go. And sorry, mustangs/burros do go to slaughter for human consumption….go check out the feedlot at Shelby, Montana and see the freeze brands. While you are at it, take a look at the collection pits.

    Some of you people are hopeless and that is why the bills in Congress will steamroll you thick headed into compliance. You don’t want to pay for vet/knacker/rendering…then don’t own a horse. While you are at it, take the time to contact your local extension service. They’ll teach you proper care and the possible longevity of that horses you breed or buy. You breed it, break it, you’ve bought it. No payout to cut the cord.

  113. Boy, some of you folks are absolutely paranoid and or misinformed or intentionally putting some of the most moronic trash in print I have ever seen.

    Seems people with many different backgrounds and mindsets found a way to come together to help out with this disgusting situation. Others seem to take the opportunity to bash HSUS and whine about no domestic horse slaughter plants (sorry, we still have them here…you don’t get paid for it and it isn’t sold for human consumption). Disjointed, feeble attempt at some type of “protect all aspects of ag at all costs” mentality. Clean up our traditional meat biz first before you get off on some tangent that human consumption horse slaughter is a lynchpin in your ag operation. Of course that doesn’t hold for the horse slaughter auction (New Holland, Sugarcreek, etc), the transporters or the KBs…it is their business. They don’t provide a service. They provide a few cruddy bucks and convenience for the seller with a decent payout. If it didn’t, they wouldn’t do it.

    BLM needs to stop rounding up Mustangs until they have a complete, verifiable, humane program in place. But you know what…they still are doing round ups with no place for the horse/burros to go. And sorry, mustangs/burros do go to slaughter for human consumption….go check out the feedlot at Shelby, Montana and see the freeze brands. While you are at it, take a look at the collection pits.

    Some of you people are hopeless and that is why the bills in Congress will steamroll you thick headed into compliance. You don’t want to pay for vet/knacker/rendering…then don’t own a horse. While you are at it, take the time to contact your local extension service. They’ll teach you proper care and the possible longevity of that horses you breed or buy. You breed it, break it, you’ve bought it. No payout to cut the cord.

  114. Boy, some of you folks are absolutely paranoid and or misinformed or intentionally putting some of the most moronic trash in print I have ever seen.

    Seems people with many different backgrounds and mindsets found a way to come together to help out with this disgusting situation. Others seem to take the opportunity to bash HSUS and whine about no domestic horse slaughter plants (sorry, we still have them here…you don’t get paid for it and it isn’t sold for human consumption). Disjointed, feeble attempt at some type of “protect all aspects of ag at all costs” mentality. Clean up our traditional meat biz first before you get off on some tangent that human consumption horse slaughter is a lynchpin in your ag operation. Of course that doesn’t hold for the horse slaughter auction (New Holland, Sugarcreek, etc), the transporters or the KBs…it is their business. They don’t provide a service. They provide a few cruddy bucks and convenience for the seller with a decent payout. If it didn’t, they wouldn’t do it.

    BLM needs to stop rounding up Mustangs until they have a complete, verifiable, humane program in place. But you know what…they still are doing round ups with no place for the horse/burros to go. And sorry, mustangs/burros do go to slaughter for human consumption….go check out the feedlot at Shelby, Montana and see the freeze brands. While you are at it, take a look at the collection pits.

    Some of you people are hopeless and that is why the bills in Congress will steamroll you thick headed into compliance. You don’t want to pay for vet/knacker/rendering…then don’t own a horse. While you are at it, take the time to contact your local extension service. They’ll teach you proper care and the possible longevity of that horses you breed or buy. You breed it, break it, you’ve bought it. No payout to cut the cord.

  115. Pete and mcgrewfarmer, I really appreciate your comments. I’d also like to add that comments need to address the issue and need to at least look like they are submitted by a human being. Submitting a comment pretending to be a horse talking to another horse won’t cut it. Yes, I did delete that one. Hopefully you will appreciate that we are willing to post dissenting points of view here. Let’s try to keep it civil.

    mcgrewfarmer: until we respect all human life, from conception to natural death, we’re going to see an unbalanced viewpoint like some of what we’ve seen posted. I pray every day that this will change in America and the rest of the world.

  116. Pete and mcgrewfarmer, I really appreciate your comments. I’d also like to add that comments need to address the issue and need to at least look like they are submitted by a human being. Submitting a comment pretending to be a horse talking to another horse won’t cut it. Yes, I did delete that one. Hopefully you will appreciate that we are willing to post dissenting points of view here. Let’s try to keep it civil.

    mcgrewfarmer: until we respect all human life, from conception to natural death, we’re going to see an unbalanced viewpoint like some of what we’ve seen posted. I pray every day that this will change in America and the rest of the world.

  117. Pete and mcgrewfarmer, I really appreciate your comments. I’d also like to add that comments need to address the issue and need to at least look like they are submitted by a human being. Submitting a comment pretending to be a horse talking to another horse won’t cut it. Yes, I did delete that one. Hopefully you will appreciate that we are willing to post dissenting points of view here. Let’s try to keep it civil.

    mcgrewfarmer: until we respect all human life, from conception to natural death, we’re going to see an unbalanced viewpoint like some of what we’ve seen posted. I pray every day that this will change in America and the rest of the world.

  118. Pete, does your amazement extend to those like Craig insinuating multiple times that people who disagree with them are stupid (“Apparently some of you need me to type a little slower so you can understand”) or on drugs (“Maybe this crack problem has gotten out of control !!!!!”)? Or just to those you assume to be left-leaning? Just curious.

    Glad to see that someone else understands that this case has nothing to do with slaughter plants.

    And as for all you questioning why HSUS might have waited four weeks before going in on this rescue mission, don’t you think they’d best have their ducks in a row before embarking on something of this scale? Perhaps take the time to help assemble the rescue team? (They flew good horse rescue people in from across the country to help, by the way.) And to make sure there would be places to put the animals and resources to take care of them once they were seized? Or maybe even to make sure that there really was a crisis going on and not just say, some weird poisoning event as the joker running the ranch claims? Or hey – maybe they were notified and worked together with local law enforcement and they arrived when they were ASKED TO?

    Good lord, no. It can’t be any of those logical things. It’s gotta be just the next step in their plot to outlaw bacon in every state in the union.

  119. Pete, does your amazement extend to those like Craig insinuating multiple times that people who disagree with them are stupid (“Apparently some of you need me to type a little slower so you can understand”) or on drugs (“Maybe this crack problem has gotten out of control !!!!!”)? Or just to those you assume to be left-leaning? Just curious.

    Glad to see that someone else understands that this case has nothing to do with slaughter plants.

    And as for all you questioning why HSUS might have waited four weeks before going in on this rescue mission, don’t you think they’d best have their ducks in a row before embarking on something of this scale? Perhaps take the time to help assemble the rescue team? (They flew good horse rescue people in from across the country to help, by the way.) And to make sure there would be places to put the animals and resources to take care of them once they were seized? Or maybe even to make sure that there really was a crisis going on and not just say, some weird poisoning event as the joker running the ranch claims? Or hey – maybe they were notified and worked together with local law enforcement and they arrived when they were ASKED TO?

    Good lord, no. It can’t be any of those logical things. It’s gotta be just the next step in their plot to outlaw bacon in every state in the union.

  120. Pete, does your amazement extend to those like Craig insinuating multiple times that people who disagree with them are stupid (“Apparently some of you need me to type a little slower so you can understand”) or on drugs (“Maybe this crack problem has gotten out of control !!!!!”)? Or just to those you assume to be left-leaning? Just curious.

    Glad to see that someone else understands that this case has nothing to do with slaughter plants.

    And as for all you questioning why HSUS might have waited four weeks before going in on this rescue mission, don’t you think they’d best have their ducks in a row before embarking on something of this scale? Perhaps take the time to help assemble the rescue team? (They flew good horse rescue people in from across the country to help, by the way.) And to make sure there would be places to put the animals and resources to take care of them once they were seized? Or maybe even to make sure that there really was a crisis going on and not just say, some weird poisoning event as the joker running the ranch claims? Or hey – maybe they were notified and worked together with local law enforcement and they arrived when they were ASKED TO?

    Good lord, no. It can’t be any of those logical things. It’s gotta be just the next step in their plot to outlaw bacon in every state in the union.

  121. HA HA HA. Like shooting fish in a bucket.

    mcgrewfarmer, can you please show us a list of these animal welfare/rights organizations that have taken a position on human abortion? Remember now, you said “most,” that means more than half have not only taken a stand, but are PRO-abortion.

    And is it that you will only have conversations with people who already agree with you? I don’t understand how agreeing on abortion or infanticide at all relates to animal abuse.Certainly no one here is arguing that killing children is OK, but abusing animals is not.

    Back to the subject at hand – HSUS would have NO power if the ag community showed some transparency instead of cowering in paranoia about the animal rights boogymen. Every single one of you know upstanding ranchers, good horse trainers, honest dairymen and farmers who bust their butts to make ends meet. You probably also know one or two who don’t respect their animals, don’t keep a clean barn, steal water or dump where they ain’t supposed to.

    Heck I grew up next to several small dairy and egg operations. There was a family down the road who kept a small herd in a nice dairy barn, clean as a whistle. But across the street, hidden by trees kept the REST of their herd along with a few starving horses in some of the filthiest conditions you can imagine. PETA/HSUS would have had a field day with that place. Don’t want PETA/HSUS in your backyard? Stop pretending that all farmers/ranchers/dairymen are irreproachable just by virtue of their profession. As an industry, do not tolerate abusive tactics on the farm, during transportation or during the slaughter process and stop making excuses for those who do.

    Right now, all the outside sees is stories about illegal immigrants being paid next to nothing to work in dangerous slaughterhouses that are unnecessarily abusive to the animals, who of course, were factory farmed in horrible conditions. And meat is bad for you, so don’t eat it anyway. THIS is what more and more people believe, because you and I both know, they’ve never even seen a farm, let alone a real live cow/horse/pig and all they have to go on is their Sunday night 60 Minutes report.

    Be open and honest about how that tasty $40 steak makes it to a city slicker’s plate and what all you do to get it there and HSUS/PETA will wither and die. Or don’t. Whatever.

  122. HA HA HA. Like shooting fish in a bucket.

    mcgrewfarmer, can you please show us a list of these animal welfare/rights organizations that have taken a position on human abortion? Remember now, you said “most,” that means more than half have not only taken a stand, but are PRO-abortion.

    And is it that you will only have conversations with people who already agree with you? I don’t understand how agreeing on abortion or infanticide at all relates to animal abuse.Certainly no one here is arguing that killing children is OK, but abusing animals is not.

    Back to the subject at hand – HSUS would have NO power if the ag community showed some transparency instead of cowering in paranoia about the animal rights boogymen. Every single one of you know upstanding ranchers, good horse trainers, honest dairymen and farmers who bust their butts to make ends meet. You probably also know one or two who don’t respect their animals, don’t keep a clean barn, steal water or dump where they ain’t supposed to.

    Heck I grew up next to several small dairy and egg operations. There was a family down the road who kept a small herd in a nice dairy barn, clean as a whistle. But across the street, hidden by trees kept the REST of their herd along with a few starving horses in some of the filthiest conditions you can imagine. PETA/HSUS would have had a field day with that place. Don’t want PETA/HSUS in your backyard? Stop pretending that all farmers/ranchers/dairymen are irreproachable just by virtue of their profession. As an industry, do not tolerate abusive tactics on the farm, during transportation or during the slaughter process and stop making excuses for those who do.

    Right now, all the outside sees is stories about illegal immigrants being paid next to nothing to work in dangerous slaughterhouses that are unnecessarily abusive to the animals, who of course, were factory farmed in horrible conditions. And meat is bad for you, so don’t eat it anyway. THIS is what more and more people believe, because you and I both know, they’ve never even seen a farm, let alone a real live cow/horse/pig and all they have to go on is their Sunday night 60 Minutes report.

    Be open and honest about how that tasty $40 steak makes it to a city slicker’s plate and what all you do to get it there and HSUS/PETA will wither and die. Or don’t. Whatever.

  123. HA HA HA. Like shooting fish in a bucket.

    mcgrewfarmer, can you please show us a list of these animal welfare/rights organizations that have taken a position on human abortion? Remember now, you said “most,” that means more than half have not only taken a stand, but are PRO-abortion.

    And is it that you will only have conversations with people who already agree with you? I don’t understand how agreeing on abortion or infanticide at all relates to animal abuse.Certainly no one here is arguing that killing children is OK, but abusing animals is not.

    Back to the subject at hand – HSUS would have NO power if the ag community showed some transparency instead of cowering in paranoia about the animal rights boogymen. Every single one of you know upstanding ranchers, good horse trainers, honest dairymen and farmers who bust their butts to make ends meet. You probably also know one or two who don’t respect their animals, don’t keep a clean barn, steal water or dump where they ain’t supposed to.

    Heck I grew up next to several small dairy and egg operations. There was a family down the road who kept a small herd in a nice dairy barn, clean as a whistle. But across the street, hidden by trees kept the REST of their herd along with a few starving horses in some of the filthiest conditions you can imagine. PETA/HSUS would have had a field day with that place. Don’t want PETA/HSUS in your backyard? Stop pretending that all farmers/ranchers/dairymen are irreproachable just by virtue of their profession. As an industry, do not tolerate abusive tactics on the farm, during transportation or during the slaughter process and stop making excuses for those who do.

    Right now, all the outside sees is stories about illegal immigrants being paid next to nothing to work in dangerous slaughterhouses that are unnecessarily abusive to the animals, who of course, were factory farmed in horrible conditions. And meat is bad for you, so don’t eat it anyway. THIS is what more and more people believe, because you and I both know, they’ve never even seen a farm, let alone a real live cow/horse/pig and all they have to go on is their Sunday night 60 Minutes report.

    Be open and honest about how that tasty $40 steak makes it to a city slicker’s plate and what all you do to get it there and HSUS/PETA will wither and die. Or don’t. Whatever.

  124. I think the the government should step in with a bailout for the 3 strikes ranch and we should have a horse czar. Barry can fly out set up his teleprompters over top the buckin chutes at the fairgrounds, tell us how he will call for a full investigation.

    I would venture to bet that most of the comments on this blog from people that think that hsus and peta are not a threat are probably flaming liberals and also believe that the current administration will somehow fix all the problems that one may have. Wake up! I get so sick and tired of hearing how we need to save these horses. what about a horse that is over 20 years old has bad teeth and you idiots are out there trying to save it? how much money will be wasted for these horses to get back into shape and maybe be adopted? unbelievable.! How can this be a good investment. I will be on someone to tell me in a year how much money and time and headache these 200 horses cost the tax payers of morrill co. and the state of ne. Buthcher, kill, slaughter, I don’t care what you have to call it to make your self sleep at night!

  125. I think the the government should step in with a bailout for the 3 strikes ranch and we should have a horse czar. Barry can fly out set up his teleprompters over top the buckin chutes at the fairgrounds, tell us how he will call for a full investigation.

    I would venture to bet that most of the comments on this blog from people that think that hsus and peta are not a threat are probably flaming liberals and also believe that the current administration will somehow fix all the problems that one may have. Wake up! I get so sick and tired of hearing how we need to save these horses. what about a horse that is over 20 years old has bad teeth and you idiots are out there trying to save it? how much money will be wasted for these horses to get back into shape and maybe be adopted? unbelievable.! How can this be a good investment. I will be on someone to tell me in a year how much money and time and headache these 200 horses cost the tax payers of morrill co. and the state of ne. Buthcher, kill, slaughter, I don’t care what you have to call it to make your self sleep at night!

  126. I think the the government should step in with a bailout for the 3 strikes ranch and we should have a horse czar. Barry can fly out set up his teleprompters over top the buckin chutes at the fairgrounds, tell us how he will call for a full investigation.

    I would venture to bet that most of the comments on this blog from people that think that hsus and peta are not a threat are probably flaming liberals and also believe that the current administration will somehow fix all the problems that one may have. Wake up! I get so sick and tired of hearing how we need to save these horses. what about a horse that is over 20 years old has bad teeth and you idiots are out there trying to save it? how much money will be wasted for these horses to get back into shape and maybe be adopted? unbelievable.! How can this be a good investment. I will be on someone to tell me in a year how much money and time and headache these 200 horses cost the tax payers of morrill co. and the state of ne. Buthcher, kill, slaughter, I don’t care what you have to call it to make your self sleep at night!

  127. Craig:
    Your question is pretty ignorant dont you think?

    Why Is The HSUS moving the horses?

    Well, first there is an investigation and on that note, if you know much at
    all, the safest thing for the equine is to get them far from Jason.

    ON that note, why dont you call them and ask.

    That would work wonders to leave them there and do an investigation on Jason’s property, dont you think?

    At any time he could kick everyone off the property.

    But we know that you just seem to like to create issues
    for the HSUS.

    They did not ask for this situation.Jason had time to ask for help, as he says
    GEE THINGS STARTED CHANGING BACK IN NOVEMBER.

    Jason created the problem, now others have to do the work.

  128. Craig:
    Your question is pretty ignorant dont you think?

    Why Is The HSUS moving the horses?

    Well, first there is an investigation and on that note, if you know much at
    all, the safest thing for the equine is to get them far from Jason.

    ON that note, why dont you call them and ask.

    That would work wonders to leave them there and do an investigation on Jason’s property, dont you think?

    At any time he could kick everyone off the property.

    But we know that you just seem to like to create issues
    for the HSUS.

    They did not ask for this situation.Jason had time to ask for help, as he says
    GEE THINGS STARTED CHANGING BACK IN NOVEMBER.

    Jason created the problem, now others have to do the work.

  129. Craig:
    Your question is pretty ignorant dont you think?

    Why Is The HSUS moving the horses?

    Well, first there is an investigation and on that note, if you know much at
    all, the safest thing for the equine is to get them far from Jason.

    ON that note, why dont you call them and ask.

    That would work wonders to leave them there and do an investigation on Jason’s property, dont you think?

    At any time he could kick everyone off the property.

    But we know that you just seem to like to create issues
    for the HSUS.

    They did not ask for this situation.Jason had time to ask for help, as he says
    GEE THINGS STARTED CHANGING BACK IN NOVEMBER.

    Jason created the problem, now others have to do the work.

  130. D. Masters,
    Thanks for making my point about the vitriol being spewed here. It seems that there is a profound inability for rational discourse.

  131. D. Masters,
    Thanks for making my point about the vitriol being spewed here. It seems that there is a profound inability for rational discourse.

  132. D. Masters,
    Thanks for making my point about the vitriol being spewed here. It seems that there is a profound inability for rational discourse.

  133. Actually the safest thing for the horses would’ve been to keep their previous owner locked up, then get feed to them asap, onsight.
    The law has to move the horses because they can confiscate the horses, but not the land, which is unfortunant in this situation.
    Reyna, I don’t think you’re stupid, but maybe a little naive. My comments were to cool tempers a little with humor. Humor is like beauty, in the eye of the beholder. Sorry if my humor doesn’t fit your bill as humor.
    It’s a huge responsibility to know when the end has come to an animals life. Animals that we are responsible for bringing into this world to do good things for mankind, but life ends at sometime for all living beings.
    I don’t care to create issues for HSUS, but they seem to think that livestock producers are all bad and HSUS is in the business of putting all livestock producers/care takers out of business.
    Since you know much about HSUS, and I don’t, maybe you can tell me how many animal shelters HSUS runs around the country? How many acres does HSUS own/control to provide for these horses? I understand the man recieving the majority of these horses owns a total of 27 acres in Texas, that is poor land, prone to flooding.
    WHAT PERCENTAGE OF HSUS ANNUAL BUDGET DO THEY SPEND ON PROVIDING SHELTER FOR ABUSED ANIMALS?
    I know that HSUS had a negative effect on this particular situation, because their name was/is involved. Locals were asked to help with the round-up, but refused because of HSUS involvement.
    How come hay is in short supply for these horses? They were down to one bale yesterday. If HSUS has millions in the war-chest, how come they’re not out buying hay as we sit here and argue? I donated time, money, hay and my back to this situation already, and was told the horses will be here another 2 weeks. TELL YOUR HSUS FRIENDS TO GET OFF THEIR DUFF AND SEND MONEY FOR HAY. There is hay available locally. Just needs to be paid for.
    HSUS didn’t do a very good job of “getting their ducks in a row”, THE VERY FIRST THING A STARVING ANIMAL NEEDS IS FEED !!!!!!!!!!
    HSUS has millions in annual budgets, and they’re depending on locals to donate hay in probably one of the biggest rescue situations in some time, if ever. Now what do you have to say?
    Lack of slaughter IS behind this situation, indirectly.
    This horse owner bought many of these horses for $10-50/head. If there were a market for them, they would have brought hundred’s of dollars per head and went to kill plants.
    Local salebarns are having horses dropped off and abandoned at their yards. If you try to honestly sell one at auction yards, you are required to put a deposit down, so that if the horse doesn’t sell, the salebarn won’t be stuck with the animal.
    Reyna, do you really participate in “shooting fish in a bucket”? Not only is that illegal, that is non-sporting. I don’t think your friends at HSUS and PETA would like you using that phrase. It implies immorality (in their opinion).
    Illegal aliens, and legal workers are actually paid quite well compared to other jobs they would qualify for. The only reason illegals do this work, other that the good (comparatively speaking) money, is that most citizens wouldn’t/couldn’t do it.
    Send hay, or money for hay.

  134. Actually the safest thing for the horses would’ve been to keep their previous owner locked up, then get feed to them asap, onsight.
    The law has to move the horses because they can confiscate the horses, but not the land, which is unfortunant in this situation.
    Reyna, I don’t think you’re stupid, but maybe a little naive. My comments were to cool tempers a little with humor. Humor is like beauty, in the eye of the beholder. Sorry if my humor doesn’t fit your bill as humor.
    It’s a huge responsibility to know when the end has come to an animals life. Animals that we are responsible for bringing into this world to do good things for mankind, but life ends at sometime for all living beings.
    I don’t care to create issues for HSUS, but they seem to think that livestock producers are all bad and HSUS is in the business of putting all livestock producers/care takers out of business.
    Since you know much about HSUS, and I don’t, maybe you can tell me how many animal shelters HSUS runs around the country? How many acres does HSUS own/control to provide for these horses? I understand the man recieving the majority of these horses owns a total of 27 acres in Texas, that is poor land, prone to flooding.
    WHAT PERCENTAGE OF HSUS ANNUAL BUDGET DO THEY SPEND ON PROVIDING SHELTER FOR ABUSED ANIMALS?
    I know that HSUS had a negative effect on this particular situation, because their name was/is involved. Locals were asked to help with the round-up, but refused because of HSUS involvement.
    How come hay is in short supply for these horses? They were down to one bale yesterday. If HSUS has millions in the war-chest, how come they’re not out buying hay as we sit here and argue? I donated time, money, hay and my back to this situation already, and was told the horses will be here another 2 weeks. TELL YOUR HSUS FRIENDS TO GET OFF THEIR DUFF AND SEND MONEY FOR HAY. There is hay available locally. Just needs to be paid for.
    HSUS didn’t do a very good job of “getting their ducks in a row”, THE VERY FIRST THING A STARVING ANIMAL NEEDS IS FEED !!!!!!!!!!
    HSUS has millions in annual budgets, and they’re depending on locals to donate hay in probably one of the biggest rescue situations in some time, if ever. Now what do you have to say?
    Lack of slaughter IS behind this situation, indirectly.
    This horse owner bought many of these horses for $10-50/head. If there were a market for them, they would have brought hundred’s of dollars per head and went to kill plants.
    Local salebarns are having horses dropped off and abandoned at their yards. If you try to honestly sell one at auction yards, you are required to put a deposit down, so that if the horse doesn’t sell, the salebarn won’t be stuck with the animal.
    Reyna, do you really participate in “shooting fish in a bucket”? Not only is that illegal, that is non-sporting. I don’t think your friends at HSUS and PETA would like you using that phrase. It implies immorality (in their opinion).
    Illegal aliens, and legal workers are actually paid quite well compared to other jobs they would qualify for. The only reason illegals do this work, other that the good (comparatively speaking) money, is that most citizens wouldn’t/couldn’t do it.
    Send hay, or money for hay.

  135. Actually the safest thing for the horses would’ve been to keep their previous owner locked up, then get feed to them asap, onsight.
    The law has to move the horses because they can confiscate the horses, but not the land, which is unfortunant in this situation.
    Reyna, I don’t think you’re stupid, but maybe a little naive. My comments were to cool tempers a little with humor. Humor is like beauty, in the eye of the beholder. Sorry if my humor doesn’t fit your bill as humor.
    It’s a huge responsibility to know when the end has come to an animals life. Animals that we are responsible for bringing into this world to do good things for mankind, but life ends at sometime for all living beings.
    I don’t care to create issues for HSUS, but they seem to think that livestock producers are all bad and HSUS is in the business of putting all livestock producers/care takers out of business.
    Since you know much about HSUS, and I don’t, maybe you can tell me how many animal shelters HSUS runs around the country? How many acres does HSUS own/control to provide for these horses? I understand the man recieving the majority of these horses owns a total of 27 acres in Texas, that is poor land, prone to flooding.
    WHAT PERCENTAGE OF HSUS ANNUAL BUDGET DO THEY SPEND ON PROVIDING SHELTER FOR ABUSED ANIMALS?
    I know that HSUS had a negative effect on this particular situation, because their name was/is involved. Locals were asked to help with the round-up, but refused because of HSUS involvement.
    How come hay is in short supply for these horses? They were down to one bale yesterday. If HSUS has millions in the war-chest, how come they’re not out buying hay as we sit here and argue? I donated time, money, hay and my back to this situation already, and was told the horses will be here another 2 weeks. TELL YOUR HSUS FRIENDS TO GET OFF THEIR DUFF AND SEND MONEY FOR HAY. There is hay available locally. Just needs to be paid for.
    HSUS didn’t do a very good job of “getting their ducks in a row”, THE VERY FIRST THING A STARVING ANIMAL NEEDS IS FEED !!!!!!!!!!
    HSUS has millions in annual budgets, and they’re depending on locals to donate hay in probably one of the biggest rescue situations in some time, if ever. Now what do you have to say?
    Lack of slaughter IS behind this situation, indirectly.
    This horse owner bought many of these horses for $10-50/head. If there were a market for them, they would have brought hundred’s of dollars per head and went to kill plants.
    Local salebarns are having horses dropped off and abandoned at their yards. If you try to honestly sell one at auction yards, you are required to put a deposit down, so that if the horse doesn’t sell, the salebarn won’t be stuck with the animal.
    Reyna, do you really participate in “shooting fish in a bucket”? Not only is that illegal, that is non-sporting. I don’t think your friends at HSUS and PETA would like you using that phrase. It implies immorality (in their opinion).
    Illegal aliens, and legal workers are actually paid quite well compared to other jobs they would qualify for. The only reason illegals do this work, other that the good (comparatively speaking) money, is that most citizens wouldn’t/couldn’t do it.
    Send hay, or money for hay.

  136. Um Craig, implying people are stupid is just that, implying they are stupid. I guess it’s funny to you. We can agree to disagree on that.

    I still don’t understand why you’re going on and on about the HSUS. Have you read their mission statement? No, they aren’t involved in local animal shelters, but they NEVER CLAIM TO BE. They educate, they lobby and fund some sanctuaries to the tune of several million dollars a year and disaster relief. You seem to think you’re exposing some big scam, but most thinking people knew all this already. I wouldn’t give them a dime because like most big charities, their operating expenses are far too high, no matter what their mission statement.

    And again, there’s no slaughterhouse connection. The guy wasn’t going to sell to slaughter ever! He was the shirtless cowboy, saving those little ponies his own sexy self. Fact of the matter is, there were slaughter plants open when he started this operation and he wasn’t selling then either.

    Now, you’d better hurry because I heard Wal*Mart is having a huge sale on anti-HSUS tinfoil hats. They won’t last long!

    This dead horse has been beaten.

  137. Um Craig, implying people are stupid is just that, implying they are stupid. I guess it’s funny to you. We can agree to disagree on that.

    I still don’t understand why you’re going on and on about the HSUS. Have you read their mission statement? No, they aren’t involved in local animal shelters, but they NEVER CLAIM TO BE. They educate, they lobby and fund some sanctuaries to the tune of several million dollars a year and disaster relief. You seem to think you’re exposing some big scam, but most thinking people knew all this already. I wouldn’t give them a dime because like most big charities, their operating expenses are far too high, no matter what their mission statement.

    And again, there’s no slaughterhouse connection. The guy wasn’t going to sell to slaughter ever! He was the shirtless cowboy, saving those little ponies his own sexy self. Fact of the matter is, there were slaughter plants open when he started this operation and he wasn’t selling then either.

    Now, you’d better hurry because I heard Wal*Mart is having a huge sale on anti-HSUS tinfoil hats. They won’t last long!

    This dead horse has been beaten.

  138. Um Craig, implying people are stupid is just that, implying they are stupid. I guess it’s funny to you. We can agree to disagree on that.

    I still don’t understand why you’re going on and on about the HSUS. Have you read their mission statement? No, they aren’t involved in local animal shelters, but they NEVER CLAIM TO BE. They educate, they lobby and fund some sanctuaries to the tune of several million dollars a year and disaster relief. You seem to think you’re exposing some big scam, but most thinking people knew all this already. I wouldn’t give them a dime because like most big charities, their operating expenses are far too high, no matter what their mission statement.

    And again, there’s no slaughterhouse connection. The guy wasn’t going to sell to slaughter ever! He was the shirtless cowboy, saving those little ponies his own sexy self. Fact of the matter is, there were slaughter plants open when he started this operation and he wasn’t selling then either.

    Now, you’d better hurry because I heard Wal*Mart is having a huge sale on anti-HSUS tinfoil hats. They won’t last long!

    This dead horse has been beaten.

  139. Pete: Thank you for proving my point that the point of your posts aren’t “really” about right/wrong or the slightest bit of logic.

    And again, thank you. I must have expressed myself in some way that got your hackles up (threatened you/your position)…ergo, they must have been reasonable and thought provoking and hack at your proslaughter stance. Thank you.

    Yes, I clearly understood the distracting “prolife/abortion” reference in the post. Didn’t think it worthy of response and basically an attempt to change the debate here. It’s horse slaughter for human consumption (really) with a poster child like 3 Strikes Ranch and being infuriated that HSUS is in NE doing something, anything as some here are using as a rally cry. Fairly weak and disconnected logic if you take the time to understand 3 Strikes and the US horse slaughter situation.

  140. Pete: Thank you for proving my point that the point of your posts aren’t “really” about right/wrong or the slightest bit of logic.

    And again, thank you. I must have expressed myself in some way that got your hackles up (threatened you/your position)…ergo, they must have been reasonable and thought provoking and hack at your proslaughter stance. Thank you.

    Yes, I clearly understood the distracting “prolife/abortion” reference in the post. Didn’t think it worthy of response and basically an attempt to change the debate here. It’s horse slaughter for human consumption (really) with a poster child like 3 Strikes Ranch and being infuriated that HSUS is in NE doing something, anything as some here are using as a rally cry. Fairly weak and disconnected logic if you take the time to understand 3 Strikes and the US horse slaughter situation.

  141. Pete: Thank you for proving my point that the point of your posts aren’t “really” about right/wrong or the slightest bit of logic.

    And again, thank you. I must have expressed myself in some way that got your hackles up (threatened you/your position)…ergo, they must have been reasonable and thought provoking and hack at your proslaughter stance. Thank you.

    Yes, I clearly understood the distracting “prolife/abortion” reference in the post. Didn’t think it worthy of response and basically an attempt to change the debate here. It’s horse slaughter for human consumption (really) with a poster child like 3 Strikes Ranch and being infuriated that HSUS is in NE doing something, anything as some here are using as a rally cry. Fairly weak and disconnected logic if you take the time to understand 3 Strikes and the US horse slaughter situation.

  142. Craig:

    Honestly, so much of what you posted is just frankly incomplete/half-truths, distortion, spin and well, opinion. You know how I know? Slaughter of US Horses still exists. Check the USDA numbers. Enough said.

    And I told you, US Horses are STILL being slaughtered in the US. I said you have to pay for it and it can’t be consumed by humans. What reeally is your agenda here? Reyna makes some excellent points, not that I completely agree, but I did say clean up yourselves first and then tackle human consumption horse slaughter.

  143. Craig:

    Honestly, so much of what you posted is just frankly incomplete/half-truths, distortion, spin and well, opinion. You know how I know? Slaughter of US Horses still exists. Check the USDA numbers. Enough said.

    And I told you, US Horses are STILL being slaughtered in the US. I said you have to pay for it and it can’t be consumed by humans. What reeally is your agenda here? Reyna makes some excellent points, not that I completely agree, but I did say clean up yourselves first and then tackle human consumption horse slaughter.

  144. Craig:

    Honestly, so much of what you posted is just frankly incomplete/half-truths, distortion, spin and well, opinion. You know how I know? Slaughter of US Horses still exists. Check the USDA numbers. Enough said.

    And I told you, US Horses are STILL being slaughtered in the US. I said you have to pay for it and it can’t be consumed by humans. What reeally is your agenda here? Reyna makes some excellent points, not that I completely agree, but I did say clean up yourselves first and then tackle human consumption horse slaughter.

  145. Reyna wrote:
    “And as for all you questioning why HSUS might have waited four weeks before going in on this rescue mission, don’t you think they’d best have their ducks in a row before embarking on something of this scale?” What did I miss? I thought HSUS wasn’t involved here!

    Reyna, why don’t you define what a “factory farm” is for those of us who are less enlightened than our city cousins. I’ve never seen one myself. I’m sure they’re out there because I hear about them all the time.

    D Masters, you completely missed the point Craig made about horse slaughter. The difference is that if the meat was for human consumption the horses would have a floor on their value, if you have to pay to have them slaughtered then they have a negative value. (math101.com)

    We out here in fly over country get incredibly weary of being told how to live our lives by the folks who have destroyed their environment, paved over everything in sight, and wrecked the economy. If you want to preserve, then buy the land and the poor animals and preserve them, otherwise butt out.

    As for USUS not being anti farming and anti meat go here.

  146. Reyna wrote:
    “And as for all you questioning why HSUS might have waited four weeks before going in on this rescue mission, don’t you think they’d best have their ducks in a row before embarking on something of this scale?” What did I miss? I thought HSUS wasn’t involved here!

    Reyna, why don’t you define what a “factory farm” is for those of us who are less enlightened than our city cousins. I’ve never seen one myself. I’m sure they’re out there because I hear about them all the time.

    D Masters, you completely missed the point Craig made about horse slaughter. The difference is that if the meat was for human consumption the horses would have a floor on their value, if you have to pay to have them slaughtered then they have a negative value. (math101.com)

    We out here in fly over country get incredibly weary of being told how to live our lives by the folks who have destroyed their environment, paved over everything in sight, and wrecked the economy. If you want to preserve, then buy the land and the poor animals and preserve them, otherwise butt out.

    As for USUS not being anti farming and anti meat go here.

  147. Reyna wrote:
    “And as for all you questioning why HSUS might have waited four weeks before going in on this rescue mission, don’t you think they’d best have their ducks in a row before embarking on something of this scale?” What did I miss? I thought HSUS wasn’t involved here!

    Reyna, why don’t you define what a “factory farm” is for those of us who are less enlightened than our city cousins. I’ve never seen one myself. I’m sure they’re out there because I hear about them all the time.

    D Masters, you completely missed the point Craig made about horse slaughter. The difference is that if the meat was for human consumption the horses would have a floor on their value, if you have to pay to have them slaughtered then they have a negative value. (math101.com)

    We out here in fly over country get incredibly weary of being told how to live our lives by the folks who have destroyed their environment, paved over everything in sight, and wrecked the economy. If you want to preserve, then buy the land and the poor animals and preserve them, otherwise butt out.

    As for USUS not being anti farming and anti meat go here.

  148. Pete: You need to learn the basics of Econ 101. Pay particular attention to the chapter regarding “supply and demand”. And sorry, but your rights do not out trump morality and a simple thing called ethics. There are many people living on the land and in the city that think human consumption horse slaughter is unethical horse management peddling a contaminated meat product to humans. Horse slaughter serves less than 2% of the US Horse population.

    And just an FYI, KBs/SHs never buy ALL the unwanted horses in the US. They buy only what the need to fill an order and meet consumer demand. 3 Strikes has nothing to do with horse slaughter. There were people and organizations that do and do not believe in horse slaughter that came to help these horses because of serious abuse via neglect. That sir, has nothing to do with HSUS OR horse slaughter

  149. Pete: You need to learn the basics of Econ 101. Pay particular attention to the chapter regarding “supply and demand”. And sorry, but your rights do not out trump morality and a simple thing called ethics. There are many people living on the land and in the city that think human consumption horse slaughter is unethical horse management peddling a contaminated meat product to humans. Horse slaughter serves less than 2% of the US Horse population.

    And just an FYI, KBs/SHs never buy ALL the unwanted horses in the US. They buy only what the need to fill an order and meet consumer demand. 3 Strikes has nothing to do with horse slaughter. There were people and organizations that do and do not believe in horse slaughter that came to help these horses because of serious abuse via neglect. That sir, has nothing to do with HSUS OR horse slaughter

  150. Pete: You need to learn the basics of Econ 101. Pay particular attention to the chapter regarding “supply and demand”. And sorry, but your rights do not out trump morality and a simple thing called ethics. There are many people living on the land and in the city that think human consumption horse slaughter is unethical horse management peddling a contaminated meat product to humans. Horse slaughter serves less than 2% of the US Horse population.

    And just an FYI, KBs/SHs never buy ALL the unwanted horses in the US. They buy only what the need to fill an order and meet consumer demand. 3 Strikes has nothing to do with horse slaughter. There were people and organizations that do and do not believe in horse slaughter that came to help these horses because of serious abuse via neglect. That sir, has nothing to do with HSUS OR horse slaughter

  151. D. Masters,
    So I understand that you are the arbiter of morality and ethics. I wondered who was responsible for that. It’s good to know that someone in your lofty position would take the time to enlighten the Dalit.

    By the way, you pompous #$%, I’ll put my educational background and economic/business experience up against yours any day. Bring it on!

  152. D. Masters,
    So I understand that you are the arbiter of morality and ethics. I wondered who was responsible for that. It’s good to know that someone in your lofty position would take the time to enlighten the Dalit.

    By the way, you pompous #$%, I’ll put my educational background and economic/business experience up against yours any day. Bring it on!

  153. D. Masters,
    So I understand that you are the arbiter of morality and ethics. I wondered who was responsible for that. It’s good to know that someone in your lofty position would take the time to enlighten the Dalit.

    By the way, you pompous #$%, I’ll put my educational background and economic/business experience up against yours any day. Bring it on!

  154. According to horseslaughter.com there were 90,000 horses slaughtered in the US for human consumption in 2005. Is that your 2%?
    Where do you get the idea that the meat is contaminated? Oh, that’s right, from your PETA and HSUS marching orders.

    Your facts and assumptions are baseless and tiring. I weary of corresponding with someone who knows nothing and insists on proving it over and over.

  155. According to horseslaughter.com there were 90,000 horses slaughtered in the US for human consumption in 2005. Is that your 2%?
    Where do you get the idea that the meat is contaminated? Oh, that’s right, from your PETA and HSUS marching orders.

    Your facts and assumptions are baseless and tiring. I weary of corresponding with someone who knows nothing and insists on proving it over and over.

  156. According to horseslaughter.com there were 90,000 horses slaughtered in the US for human consumption in 2005. Is that your 2%?
    Where do you get the idea that the meat is contaminated? Oh, that’s right, from your PETA and HSUS marching orders.

    Your facts and assumptions are baseless and tiring. I weary of corresponding with someone who knows nothing and insists on proving it over and over.

  157. I appreciate everyone’s comments. At this point I’m only going to post any that have something new to say or I think would make a positive contribution to the discussion.

  158. I appreciate everyone’s comments. At this point I’m only going to post any that have something new to say or I think would make a positive contribution to the discussion.

  159. I appreciate everyone’s comments. At this point I’m only going to post any that have something new to say or I think would make a positive contribution to the discussion.

  160. My apologies to everyone involved. I think we’re ALL a bunch of stupid humans.
    I have come to the conclusion, that both sides of the story here are correct.
    The problem is that both sides are looking at the situation from different angles.
    I am looking from my point of view, as if I were in Mr. Meduna’s position. You are looking at this particular situation, from Mr. Meduna’s true and actual position, and in THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, you are correct in the statement that in THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, horse slaughter is irrelevant.
    What I mean is: If I were the owner of a horse operation that didn’t have funds to care for the animals adequately and humanely, and I was wacked enough to do anything to keep them from dying, in my view, I would’ve:(in order of priority)
    1)passed them on to another horse rescue operation.
    2)GIVEN them to “good homes”
    3)open the gates, or take down the fences and letting them roam “free”.
    4)Sold them to someone who promised not to slaughter them
    5)last resort: sold to the first cash I came across.
    If I were not against horse slaughter, I think the rational thing to do would’ve been to sell a portion of the herd (cull), into the commercial channels. The commercial channels would have more dollars available if the horse slaughter plants were running. Therefore slaughter would’ve made it possible for me to sell say 10 horses at $400/head, rather than having to sell 100 horses at $40/head in order to raise the same amount of money for feed for the remaining herd.

    You folks are looking at the situation from Mr. Meduna’s position, which IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, is correct.
    His apparent position is/was:
    1)I wanted to save these beautiful creatures, I can’t now, but I’m not going to admit failure??????????????????????????????????????
    2)see plan #1

    I can’t imagine what was going through his mind. I’ve been trying to put myself in his frame of mind to see what his objective was, and I just come up with insanity and animal abuse.
    My point of argument was as if we were dealing with a sane, rational human being, which in this case does not apply.
    I can’t even come up with a half ways sane thought process, from his side of view. I haven’t seen the interviews of him, so it’s hard to judge. But from what I know of the case, he needs mental evaluation.
    Whomever stated above that HSUS knew about this case “a month or so”, isn’t up on their facts either, according to HSUS employees, they had 12 hours notice.
    I stand by all my statements about HSUS. They’re bad news, and they promote vegetarianism.
    What my original post has to do with HSUS is I DON’T LIKE THEM MEDDLING IN MY BACKYARD, MAKING THEMSELVES LOOK LIKE THEY CARE ABOUT THE AMERICAN FARMER/RANCHER, when in fact they want us out of business. They’re liars.
    D.Masters, yes rendering of horses exists, but at negative value, there is no incentive to take unwanted horses by general public there, for a humane end, rather they just turn the horses loose to roam road ditches, countryside, or drop off at the auction barn.
    I bet this last year, if you add the abandoned horse numbers, and add the huge increase to those “rescued”, into the stats of slaughtered horses, you would see a large increase over your 2% of total numbers.
    I don’t care how much notice HSUS and the other rescuers had of this situation, I personally haven’t heard any public outcry for feed to be donated to these particular horses. It’s being donated now because of our locals concern for the animals. I HAVEN’T HEARD OF HSUS OFFERING TO PAY FOR THE FEED.
    There you have it. I’d be happy to continue this blog if you guys want to. You won some points and I did also.
    It’s time to get to work here in Nebraska. It’s getting late and I haven’t even had breakfast yet!!
    I’m getting so hungry I could eat a —— NEVERMIND.

  161. My apologies to everyone involved. I think we’re ALL a bunch of stupid humans.
    I have come to the conclusion, that both sides of the story here are correct.
    The problem is that both sides are looking at the situation from different angles.
    I am looking from my point of view, as if I were in Mr. Meduna’s position. You are looking at this particular situation, from Mr. Meduna’s true and actual position, and in THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, you are correct in the statement that in THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, horse slaughter is irrelevant.
    What I mean is: If I were the owner of a horse operation that didn’t have funds to care for the animals adequately and humanely, and I was wacked enough to do anything to keep them from dying, in my view, I would’ve:(in order of priority)
    1)passed them on to another horse rescue operation.
    2)GIVEN them to “good homes”
    3)open the gates, or take down the fences and letting them roam “free”.
    4)Sold them to someone who promised not to slaughter them
    5)last resort: sold to the first cash I came across.
    If I were not against horse slaughter, I think the rational thing to do would’ve been to sell a portion of the herd (cull), into the commercial channels. The commercial channels would have more dollars available if the horse slaughter plants were running. Therefore slaughter would’ve made it possible for me to sell say 10 horses at $400/head, rather than having to sell 100 horses at $40/head in order to raise the same amount of money for feed for the remaining herd.

    You folks are looking at the situation from Mr. Meduna’s position, which IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, is correct.
    His apparent position is/was:
    1)I wanted to save these beautiful creatures, I can’t now, but I’m not going to admit failure??????????????????????????????????????
    2)see plan #1

    I can’t imagine what was going through his mind. I’ve been trying to put myself in his frame of mind to see what his objective was, and I just come up with insanity and animal abuse.
    My point of argument was as if we were dealing with a sane, rational human being, which in this case does not apply.
    I can’t even come up with a half ways sane thought process, from his side of view. I haven’t seen the interviews of him, so it’s hard to judge. But from what I know of the case, he needs mental evaluation.
    Whomever stated above that HSUS knew about this case “a month or so”, isn’t up on their facts either, according to HSUS employees, they had 12 hours notice.
    I stand by all my statements about HSUS. They’re bad news, and they promote vegetarianism.
    What my original post has to do with HSUS is I DON’T LIKE THEM MEDDLING IN MY BACKYARD, MAKING THEMSELVES LOOK LIKE THEY CARE ABOUT THE AMERICAN FARMER/RANCHER, when in fact they want us out of business. They’re liars.
    D.Masters, yes rendering of horses exists, but at negative value, there is no incentive to take unwanted horses by general public there, for a humane end, rather they just turn the horses loose to roam road ditches, countryside, or drop off at the auction barn.
    I bet this last year, if you add the abandoned horse numbers, and add the huge increase to those “rescued”, into the stats of slaughtered horses, you would see a large increase over your 2% of total numbers.
    I don’t care how much notice HSUS and the other rescuers had of this situation, I personally haven’t heard any public outcry for feed to be donated to these particular horses. It’s being donated now because of our locals concern for the animals. I HAVEN’T HEARD OF HSUS OFFERING TO PAY FOR THE FEED.
    There you have it. I’d be happy to continue this blog if you guys want to. You won some points and I did also.
    It’s time to get to work here in Nebraska. It’s getting late and I haven’t even had breakfast yet!!
    I’m getting so hungry I could eat a —— NEVERMIND.

  162. My apologies to everyone involved. I think we’re ALL a bunch of stupid humans.
    I have come to the conclusion, that both sides of the story here are correct.
    The problem is that both sides are looking at the situation from different angles.
    I am looking from my point of view, as if I were in Mr. Meduna’s position. You are looking at this particular situation, from Mr. Meduna’s true and actual position, and in THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, you are correct in the statement that in THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, horse slaughter is irrelevant.
    What I mean is: If I were the owner of a horse operation that didn’t have funds to care for the animals adequately and humanely, and I was wacked enough to do anything to keep them from dying, in my view, I would’ve:(in order of priority)
    1)passed them on to another horse rescue operation.
    2)GIVEN them to “good homes”
    3)open the gates, or take down the fences and letting them roam “free”.
    4)Sold them to someone who promised not to slaughter them
    5)last resort: sold to the first cash I came across.
    If I were not against horse slaughter, I think the rational thing to do would’ve been to sell a portion of the herd (cull), into the commercial channels. The commercial channels would have more dollars available if the horse slaughter plants were running. Therefore slaughter would’ve made it possible for me to sell say 10 horses at $400/head, rather than having to sell 100 horses at $40/head in order to raise the same amount of money for feed for the remaining herd.

    You folks are looking at the situation from Mr. Meduna’s position, which IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, is correct.
    His apparent position is/was:
    1)I wanted to save these beautiful creatures, I can’t now, but I’m not going to admit failure??????????????????????????????????????
    2)see plan #1

    I can’t imagine what was going through his mind. I’ve been trying to put myself in his frame of mind to see what his objective was, and I just come up with insanity and animal abuse.
    My point of argument was as if we were dealing with a sane, rational human being, which in this case does not apply.
    I can’t even come up with a half ways sane thought process, from his side of view. I haven’t seen the interviews of him, so it’s hard to judge. But from what I know of the case, he needs mental evaluation.
    Whomever stated above that HSUS knew about this case “a month or so”, isn’t up on their facts either, according to HSUS employees, they had 12 hours notice.
    I stand by all my statements about HSUS. They’re bad news, and they promote vegetarianism.
    What my original post has to do with HSUS is I DON’T LIKE THEM MEDDLING IN MY BACKYARD, MAKING THEMSELVES LOOK LIKE THEY CARE ABOUT THE AMERICAN FARMER/RANCHER, when in fact they want us out of business. They’re liars.
    D.Masters, yes rendering of horses exists, but at negative value, there is no incentive to take unwanted horses by general public there, for a humane end, rather they just turn the horses loose to roam road ditches, countryside, or drop off at the auction barn.
    I bet this last year, if you add the abandoned horse numbers, and add the huge increase to those “rescued”, into the stats of slaughtered horses, you would see a large increase over your 2% of total numbers.
    I don’t care how much notice HSUS and the other rescuers had of this situation, I personally haven’t heard any public outcry for feed to be donated to these particular horses. It’s being donated now because of our locals concern for the animals. I HAVEN’T HEARD OF HSUS OFFERING TO PAY FOR THE FEED.
    There you have it. I’d be happy to continue this blog if you guys want to. You won some points and I did also.
    It’s time to get to work here in Nebraska. It’s getting late and I haven’t even had breakfast yet!!
    I’m getting so hungry I could eat a —— NEVERMIND.

  163. Wow! This blog entry has really taken off. I think there have been some great discussions on this topic. While tempers flare on the topics of animal welfare vs. animal rights, the real agenda of HSUS, the tragedy of the mistreatment of horses and the loss of horse slaughter, I believe we have discovered one thing on AgWired: We all have differing view points. We come from different backgrounds and experiences. I’m glad this is a place where we can discuss our differences, and I hope that the comments will help to encourage a healthy dialogue, not a mud throwing spectacle. Thanks again for all of your input. This has been an interesting forum as of late.

  164. Wow! This blog entry has really taken off. I think there have been some great discussions on this topic. While tempers flare on the topics of animal welfare vs. animal rights, the real agenda of HSUS, the tragedy of the mistreatment of horses and the loss of horse slaughter, I believe we have discovered one thing on AgWired: We all have differing view points. We come from different backgrounds and experiences. I’m glad this is a place where we can discuss our differences, and I hope that the comments will help to encourage a healthy dialogue, not a mud throwing spectacle. Thanks again for all of your input. This has been an interesting forum as of late.

  165. Wow! This blog entry has really taken off. I think there have been some great discussions on this topic. While tempers flare on the topics of animal welfare vs. animal rights, the real agenda of HSUS, the tragedy of the mistreatment of horses and the loss of horse slaughter, I believe we have discovered one thing on AgWired: We all have differing view points. We come from different backgrounds and experiences. I’m glad this is a place where we can discuss our differences, and I hope that the comments will help to encourage a healthy dialogue, not a mud throwing spectacle. Thanks again for all of your input. This has been an interesting forum as of late.

  166. Craig,

    Animal hoarding is a weird thing and can be a full on mental illness. Meduna probably thought that no matter what state those horses were in, he was still the best–maybe the ONLY–person in the world able to take care of them. Only knowing the guy through his website and online words, it appears to me he is narcissistic enough to firmly believe that.

    I have the utmost respect for farmers and ranchers. You do hard, honest work to put food on our tables. My main regret in life so far is not having spent enough time with older generations of my family before they passed. There’s no one more knowledgeable, more practical, more useful and resourceful than an old farmer. To know just 1/10 of what they knew…

    You are totally right to suspect that the HSUS would use this incident to paint an entire group of hardworking people as being bad. My main point was that by defending bad apples like Meduna only makes the HSUS’s job easier. There has to be a bigger effort on the part of farming/ranching organizations to educate the public in an honest way on how meat makes it on their plate. You could so easily take the wind right out of the sails of HSUS and PETA on the farming/ranching issues.

    And with regards to promoting vegetarianism, you’ve got the secret weapon the other side has no counter for: bacon.

    Thanks for the debate. I have to get going and find a 2 x 4 with which to beat a dog who won’t leave the chickens alone. 🙂

    Take care and be well!

  167. Craig,

    Animal hoarding is a weird thing and can be a full on mental illness. Meduna probably thought that no matter what state those horses were in, he was still the best–maybe the ONLY–person in the world able to take care of them. Only knowing the guy through his website and online words, it appears to me he is narcissistic enough to firmly believe that.

    I have the utmost respect for farmers and ranchers. You do hard, honest work to put food on our tables. My main regret in life so far is not having spent enough time with older generations of my family before they passed. There’s no one more knowledgeable, more practical, more useful and resourceful than an old farmer. To know just 1/10 of what they knew…

    You are totally right to suspect that the HSUS would use this incident to paint an entire group of hardworking people as being bad. My main point was that by defending bad apples like Meduna only makes the HSUS’s job easier. There has to be a bigger effort on the part of farming/ranching organizations to educate the public in an honest way on how meat makes it on their plate. You could so easily take the wind right out of the sails of HSUS and PETA on the farming/ranching issues.

    And with regards to promoting vegetarianism, you’ve got the secret weapon the other side has no counter for: bacon.

    Thanks for the debate. I have to get going and find a 2 x 4 with which to beat a dog who won’t leave the chickens alone. 🙂

    Take care and be well!

  168. Craig,

    Animal hoarding is a weird thing and can be a full on mental illness. Meduna probably thought that no matter what state those horses were in, he was still the best–maybe the ONLY–person in the world able to take care of them. Only knowing the guy through his website and online words, it appears to me he is narcissistic enough to firmly believe that.

    I have the utmost respect for farmers and ranchers. You do hard, honest work to put food on our tables. My main regret in life so far is not having spent enough time with older generations of my family before they passed. There’s no one more knowledgeable, more practical, more useful and resourceful than an old farmer. To know just 1/10 of what they knew…

    You are totally right to suspect that the HSUS would use this incident to paint an entire group of hardworking people as being bad. My main point was that by defending bad apples like Meduna only makes the HSUS’s job easier. There has to be a bigger effort on the part of farming/ranching organizations to educate the public in an honest way on how meat makes it on their plate. You could so easily take the wind right out of the sails of HSUS and PETA on the farming/ranching issues.

    And with regards to promoting vegetarianism, you’ve got the secret weapon the other side has no counter for: bacon.

    Thanks for the debate. I have to get going and find a 2 x 4 with which to beat a dog who won’t leave the chickens alone. 🙂

    Take care and be well!

  169. Reyna;
    I would never, and never meant to, appear that I was standing up for Meduna. I don’t condone any type of animal abuse.
    But our definition of animal abuse differs from PETA and HSUS.
    By the way, “MA’AM, PUT THE 2X4 DOWN AND STEP BACK FROM THE DOG, YOU’RE BUSTED!!!!”
    I’m having ham and Great Northern beans as we speak (type)!!
    I can send some beans your way if you need.
    Craig

  170. Reyna;
    I would never, and never meant to, appear that I was standing up for Meduna. I don’t condone any type of animal abuse.
    But our definition of animal abuse differs from PETA and HSUS.
    By the way, “MA’AM, PUT THE 2X4 DOWN AND STEP BACK FROM THE DOG, YOU’RE BUSTED!!!!”
    I’m having ham and Great Northern beans as we speak (type)!!
    I can send some beans your way if you need.
    Craig

  171. Reyna;
    I would never, and never meant to, appear that I was standing up for Meduna. I don’t condone any type of animal abuse.
    But our definition of animal abuse differs from PETA and HSUS.
    By the way, “MA’AM, PUT THE 2X4 DOWN AND STEP BACK FROM THE DOG, YOU’RE BUSTED!!!!”
    I’m having ham and Great Northern beans as we speak (type)!!
    I can send some beans your way if you need.
    Craig

  172. You can thank HSUS for supplying some of the manpower needed to safely move 210 equines off the property where they were starving to death. (Many locals helped out as well and should be applauded) Then you can thank Habitat for Horses and Front Range Equine Rescue who will be coordinating the placement of those horses. Many already have eager adopters stepping up. All have been provided with immediate feed and attention. To say otherwise is a flat-out lie. I was there.

    Jason Meduna doesn’t make ranchers look bad. He doesn’t make horsemen look bad. He’s NEITHER of those things and anybody with two IQ points to rub together knows it. This incident will not be used to make ranching or horse trainers or rescues look bad. It only makes this individual look bad and shows the need for the BLM to do better follow-up if they are going to hand out horses like candy for $10 a pop.

  173. You can thank HSUS for supplying some of the manpower needed to safely move 210 equines off the property where they were starving to death. (Many locals helped out as well and should be applauded) Then you can thank Habitat for Horses and Front Range Equine Rescue who will be coordinating the placement of those horses. Many already have eager adopters stepping up. All have been provided with immediate feed and attention. To say otherwise is a flat-out lie. I was there.

    Jason Meduna doesn’t make ranchers look bad. He doesn’t make horsemen look bad. He’s NEITHER of those things and anybody with two IQ points to rub together knows it. This incident will not be used to make ranching or horse trainers or rescues look bad. It only makes this individual look bad and shows the need for the BLM to do better follow-up if they are going to hand out horses like candy for $10 a pop.

  174. You can thank HSUS for supplying some of the manpower needed to safely move 210 equines off the property where they were starving to death. (Many locals helped out as well and should be applauded) Then you can thank Habitat for Horses and Front Range Equine Rescue who will be coordinating the placement of those horses. Many already have eager adopters stepping up. All have been provided with immediate feed and attention. To say otherwise is a flat-out lie. I was there.

    Jason Meduna doesn’t make ranchers look bad. He doesn’t make horsemen look bad. He’s NEITHER of those things and anybody with two IQ points to rub together knows it. This incident will not be used to make ranching or horse trainers or rescues look bad. It only makes this individual look bad and shows the need for the BLM to do better follow-up if they are going to hand out horses like candy for $10 a pop.

  175. HSUS, Thank-you for providing some of the manpower needed to move 208 starving horses!!!
    Now please send hay, or money for the hay.
    HSUS, Thanks for restricting local participation, through your association with this disaster. We know exactly who/what you are.
    I was there also, no lie.

  176. HSUS, Thank-you for providing some of the manpower needed to move 208 starving horses!!!
    Now please send hay, or money for the hay.
    HSUS, Thanks for restricting local participation, through your association with this disaster. We know exactly who/what you are.
    I was there also, no lie.

  177. HSUS, Thank-you for providing some of the manpower needed to move 208 starving horses!!!
    Now please send hay, or money for the hay.
    HSUS, Thanks for restricting local participation, through your association with this disaster. We know exactly who/what you are.
    I was there also, no lie.

  178. There is never an excuse for starving an animal. Neglect is neglect plain and simple. My partner and I own over 20 horses, all are fat and glossy. But the reality of the market is that if the horse slaughter market had not been closed down, the price of horses would be up and we would not own over 20 horses that we cannot sell. Right now it is more economical for slaughter horse buyers to buy animals at the local auction than ever before. They can purchase these animals for pennies on the dollar and transport them to Canada where they are slaughtered and those people make money doing it. Would it not be more humane to have the ability to dispose of these unwanted animals locally so that they are not transported thousands of miles, exposing them to injury and more stress? Face it – people are abandoning their horses at an alarming rate because they do not have the money to feed the horses, let alone themselves. If we were to create an outlet for these animals (unless you call abandoning the former cared for pets on public lands an outlet) we would also boost the horse market at the same time and horses would once again be worth something. This is not a 20 lb. dog we are talking about here. Try researching the cost of owning a horse once. Meduna may be charged with multiple felonies, but really, what avenues were left to him if he was out of money and out of feed? Shame on him for taking in that many animals without full knowledge of how many acres he needed to sustain them. But that is only a small part of a larger problem.

  179. There is never an excuse for starving an animal. Neglect is neglect plain and simple. My partner and I own over 20 horses, all are fat and glossy. But the reality of the market is that if the horse slaughter market had not been closed down, the price of horses would be up and we would not own over 20 horses that we cannot sell. Right now it is more economical for slaughter horse buyers to buy animals at the local auction than ever before. They can purchase these animals for pennies on the dollar and transport them to Canada where they are slaughtered and those people make money doing it. Would it not be more humane to have the ability to dispose of these unwanted animals locally so that they are not transported thousands of miles, exposing them to injury and more stress? Face it – people are abandoning their horses at an alarming rate because they do not have the money to feed the horses, let alone themselves. If we were to create an outlet for these animals (unless you call abandoning the former cared for pets on public lands an outlet) we would also boost the horse market at the same time and horses would once again be worth something. This is not a 20 lb. dog we are talking about here. Try researching the cost of owning a horse once. Meduna may be charged with multiple felonies, but really, what avenues were left to him if he was out of money and out of feed? Shame on him for taking in that many animals without full knowledge of how many acres he needed to sustain them. But that is only a small part of a larger problem.

  180. There is never an excuse for starving an animal. Neglect is neglect plain and simple. My partner and I own over 20 horses, all are fat and glossy. But the reality of the market is that if the horse slaughter market had not been closed down, the price of horses would be up and we would not own over 20 horses that we cannot sell. Right now it is more economical for slaughter horse buyers to buy animals at the local auction than ever before. They can purchase these animals for pennies on the dollar and transport them to Canada where they are slaughtered and those people make money doing it. Would it not be more humane to have the ability to dispose of these unwanted animals locally so that they are not transported thousands of miles, exposing them to injury and more stress? Face it – people are abandoning their horses at an alarming rate because they do not have the money to feed the horses, let alone themselves. If we were to create an outlet for these animals (unless you call abandoning the former cared for pets on public lands an outlet) we would also boost the horse market at the same time and horses would once again be worth something. This is not a 20 lb. dog we are talking about here. Try researching the cost of owning a horse once. Meduna may be charged with multiple felonies, but really, what avenues were left to him if he was out of money and out of feed? Shame on him for taking in that many animals without full knowledge of how many acres he needed to sustain them. But that is only a small part of a larger problem.

  181. craig:

    Forgot to ask…you talk to the sheriff or DA? BTW..we seem to have a boat load of foals on the way because BLM didn’t castrate upon transfer/lease of ownership, didn’t do background check on Meduna and the horse rescues involved did have some issues with handling and disposition. No one against horse slaughter is thrilled about this situation.

    Who precisely turned you away, since you were there?

  182. craig:

    Forgot to ask…you talk to the sheriff or DA? BTW..we seem to have a boat load of foals on the way because BLM didn’t castrate upon transfer/lease of ownership, didn’t do background check on Meduna and the horse rescues involved did have some issues with handling and disposition. No one against horse slaughter is thrilled about this situation.

    Who precisely turned you away, since you were there?

  183. craig:

    Forgot to ask…you talk to the sheriff or DA? BTW..we seem to have a boat load of foals on the way because BLM didn’t castrate upon transfer/lease of ownership, didn’t do background check on Meduna and the horse rescues involved did have some issues with handling and disposition. No one against horse slaughter is thrilled about this situation.

    Who precisely turned you away, since you were there?

  184. Kim:

    What you fail to clarify is that “you” want to get paid to dispose of a horse of yours, rather than pay for humane disposal. At some auctions, horse slaughter buy prices are actually rising (depends on condition and location). Don’t know why you have 20 horses you don’t want. The auctions still exsist for KBs…better yet, do a Craig’s List thing and say horse for $100 or even free…the KBs will beat a path to your door. Base price for a healthy, trained and well bred horse is not related to the kill price…but it is related to the economy and what people are willing to pay for what is basically a luxury item.

  185. Kim:

    What you fail to clarify is that “you” want to get paid to dispose of a horse of yours, rather than pay for humane disposal. At some auctions, horse slaughter buy prices are actually rising (depends on condition and location). Don’t know why you have 20 horses you don’t want. The auctions still exsist for KBs…better yet, do a Craig’s List thing and say horse for $100 or even free…the KBs will beat a path to your door. Base price for a healthy, trained and well bred horse is not related to the kill price…but it is related to the economy and what people are willing to pay for what is basically a luxury item.

  186. Kim:

    What you fail to clarify is that “you” want to get paid to dispose of a horse of yours, rather than pay for humane disposal. At some auctions, horse slaughter buy prices are actually rising (depends on condition and location). Don’t know why you have 20 horses you don’t want. The auctions still exsist for KBs…better yet, do a Craig’s List thing and say horse for $100 or even free…the KBs will beat a path to your door. Base price for a healthy, trained and well bred horse is not related to the kill price…but it is related to the economy and what people are willing to pay for what is basically a luxury item.

  187. Steve,
    Sorry I haven’t answered but I’ve been out in the little sun we have had, to take care of my horse and go for a ride on him. Anyway, yes, I’m sure Craig and a lot of others do have a BIG stake in the tortuous death of horses since they seem to feel that the end of horse slaughter will end all animal slaughter. But I feel that most people fighting to save horses realize that is very unlikely because a lot of people like their burgers even if they aren’t good for them. Kind of like cigarettes. Personally, stopping all slaughter is not my agenda for fighting to stop horse slaughter. I feel horse slaughter is both physical and mental torture for horses and I will never understand how anyone who says they love their horse would want them to suffer so. I guess I’ve just read or seen too much about their suffering over these years I’ve been fighting. I have not had my head in the sand about this issue and understand that a lot of people make money off horses. But horse breeders must look to the future and realize that the Yuppies of the 80’s and 90’s are gone and will never be again. Horses as lawn ornaments and babysitters are not going to happen anymore and breeders had better start looking for a new way to pay their bills as horses will be a luxury to own. Horses are very expensive to keep and it is only going to get worse and land is going to be at a premium for raising food crops or food animals, which does not include horses. I feel that it takes way too much to raise a horse for food and it will never be profitable. But its not that groups like the AQHA aren’t trying to make it so. Talk about agendas! The AQHA wants to raise horses for slaughter to keep those registration fees coming in. And in order to do that they need to make horse slaughter acceptable to the American people since most think eating a horse is disgusting. Horse, the New Red Meat, is not something that will be accepted by many here. So lay off the HSUS on their supposed agenda and look at the agenda of other groups too.

    And by the way, I do want to thank those who raise or grow our food here in the United States. I wish we would stop importing so much and let our own farmers supply our food. It takes a special kind of human to do that job as it seems so thankless. A lot of people think their food only comes from the grocery store and don’t know or care how it gets there. But horses are not a food source for Americans and horses do not deserve the pain and suffering of a slaughter house or the trip to it. Horse slaughter is cruel and inhumane and there is NO excuse for it! Not even greed!

  188. Steve,
    Sorry I haven’t answered but I’ve been out in the little sun we have had, to take care of my horse and go for a ride on him. Anyway, yes, I’m sure Craig and a lot of others do have a BIG stake in the tortuous death of horses since they seem to feel that the end of horse slaughter will end all animal slaughter. But I feel that most people fighting to save horses realize that is very unlikely because a lot of people like their burgers even if they aren’t good for them. Kind of like cigarettes. Personally, stopping all slaughter is not my agenda for fighting to stop horse slaughter. I feel horse slaughter is both physical and mental torture for horses and I will never understand how anyone who says they love their horse would want them to suffer so. I guess I’ve just read or seen too much about their suffering over these years I’ve been fighting. I have not had my head in the sand about this issue and understand that a lot of people make money off horses. But horse breeders must look to the future and realize that the Yuppies of the 80’s and 90’s are gone and will never be again. Horses as lawn ornaments and babysitters are not going to happen anymore and breeders had better start looking for a new way to pay their bills as horses will be a luxury to own. Horses are very expensive to keep and it is only going to get worse and land is going to be at a premium for raising food crops or food animals, which does not include horses. I feel that it takes way too much to raise a horse for food and it will never be profitable. But its not that groups like the AQHA aren’t trying to make it so. Talk about agendas! The AQHA wants to raise horses for slaughter to keep those registration fees coming in. And in order to do that they need to make horse slaughter acceptable to the American people since most think eating a horse is disgusting. Horse, the New Red Meat, is not something that will be accepted by many here. So lay off the HSUS on their supposed agenda and look at the agenda of other groups too.

    And by the way, I do want to thank those who raise or grow our food here in the United States. I wish we would stop importing so much and let our own farmers supply our food. It takes a special kind of human to do that job as it seems so thankless. A lot of people think their food only comes from the grocery store and don’t know or care how it gets there. But horses are not a food source for Americans and horses do not deserve the pain and suffering of a slaughter house or the trip to it. Horse slaughter is cruel and inhumane and there is NO excuse for it! Not even greed!

  189. Steve,
    Sorry I haven’t answered but I’ve been out in the little sun we have had, to take care of my horse and go for a ride on him. Anyway, yes, I’m sure Craig and a lot of others do have a BIG stake in the tortuous death of horses since they seem to feel that the end of horse slaughter will end all animal slaughter. But I feel that most people fighting to save horses realize that is very unlikely because a lot of people like their burgers even if they aren’t good for them. Kind of like cigarettes. Personally, stopping all slaughter is not my agenda for fighting to stop horse slaughter. I feel horse slaughter is both physical and mental torture for horses and I will never understand how anyone who says they love their horse would want them to suffer so. I guess I’ve just read or seen too much about their suffering over these years I’ve been fighting. I have not had my head in the sand about this issue and understand that a lot of people make money off horses. But horse breeders must look to the future and realize that the Yuppies of the 80’s and 90’s are gone and will never be again. Horses as lawn ornaments and babysitters are not going to happen anymore and breeders had better start looking for a new way to pay their bills as horses will be a luxury to own. Horses are very expensive to keep and it is only going to get worse and land is going to be at a premium for raising food crops or food animals, which does not include horses. I feel that it takes way too much to raise a horse for food and it will never be profitable. But its not that groups like the AQHA aren’t trying to make it so. Talk about agendas! The AQHA wants to raise horses for slaughter to keep those registration fees coming in. And in order to do that they need to make horse slaughter acceptable to the American people since most think eating a horse is disgusting. Horse, the New Red Meat, is not something that will be accepted by many here. So lay off the HSUS on their supposed agenda and look at the agenda of other groups too.

    And by the way, I do want to thank those who raise or grow our food here in the United States. I wish we would stop importing so much and let our own farmers supply our food. It takes a special kind of human to do that job as it seems so thankless. A lot of people think their food only comes from the grocery store and don’t know or care how it gets there. But horses are not a food source for Americans and horses do not deserve the pain and suffering of a slaughter house or the trip to it. Horse slaughter is cruel and inhumane and there is NO excuse for it! Not even greed!

  190. Oh I want all of my horses. They are all extremely well bred and trained and I have paid to have a sick horse humanely put down when there was no other recourse. I am talking about the economics of the horse industry. These are not just large pets. If you put a horse on Craig’s list for $100 or for free you can bet it would be the order buyer’s purchasing it to take to slaughter in Canada or Mexico. No way would I send one of my high dollar animals out the door that way. This is not a luxury. These horses are working animals in a ranching area who are highly trained and valuable. The economics of the industry are what dictate horse prices. What if we could no longer slaughter cattle or chickens? What would that do to the value of the animals?

  191. Oh I want all of my horses. They are all extremely well bred and trained and I have paid to have a sick horse humanely put down when there was no other recourse. I am talking about the economics of the horse industry. These are not just large pets. If you put a horse on Craig’s list for $100 or for free you can bet it would be the order buyer’s purchasing it to take to slaughter in Canada or Mexico. No way would I send one of my high dollar animals out the door that way. This is not a luxury. These horses are working animals in a ranching area who are highly trained and valuable. The economics of the industry are what dictate horse prices. What if we could no longer slaughter cattle or chickens? What would that do to the value of the animals?

  192. Oh I want all of my horses. They are all extremely well bred and trained and I have paid to have a sick horse humanely put down when there was no other recourse. I am talking about the economics of the horse industry. These are not just large pets. If you put a horse on Craig’s list for $100 or for free you can bet it would be the order buyer’s purchasing it to take to slaughter in Canada or Mexico. No way would I send one of my high dollar animals out the door that way. This is not a luxury. These horses are working animals in a ranching area who are highly trained and valuable. The economics of the industry are what dictate horse prices. What if we could no longer slaughter cattle or chickens? What would that do to the value of the animals?

  193. Kim, the reality is that if the economy wasn’t in the tank, horses would be more valuable. Everything we own has decreased in value so why would horses be impervious to the economy? Over 100,000 horses were slaughtered last year so how did closing the plants have an impact? Horse slaughter is still thriving and filling the Belgian pockets. Neglect, abuse and hoarding, as was the case with 3 Strikes, has no correlation to the availability of slaughter. Horses were abused and neglected when the plants were open, it’s happening now with slaughter still available and it will happen when slaughter ends. The owners always feel they are taking good care of their animals and don’t have too many. They can always take in one more.

    Closing the plants has also not had an impact on the over breeding. Legislation has been pending for years and instead of preparing for the end of slaughter, they continue to breed and dump. And they will continue to do so until they no longer can. As long as they have a dumping ground for their excess, the status quo will continue. Organizations like the AQHA whine about unwanted horses and then bring over 130,000 foals into the population every year. Wouldn’t be so bad but they also have the leading breed going to slaughter. They spend millions trying to continue slaughter instead of helping their members keep their horses. Why not take that money to establish hay funds, euthanasia funds and educating owners on responsible ownership…

  194. Kim, the reality is that if the economy wasn’t in the tank, horses would be more valuable. Everything we own has decreased in value so why would horses be impervious to the economy? Over 100,000 horses were slaughtered last year so how did closing the plants have an impact? Horse slaughter is still thriving and filling the Belgian pockets. Neglect, abuse and hoarding, as was the case with 3 Strikes, has no correlation to the availability of slaughter. Horses were abused and neglected when the plants were open, it’s happening now with slaughter still available and it will happen when slaughter ends. The owners always feel they are taking good care of their animals and don’t have too many. They can always take in one more.

    Closing the plants has also not had an impact on the over breeding. Legislation has been pending for years and instead of preparing for the end of slaughter, they continue to breed and dump. And they will continue to do so until they no longer can. As long as they have a dumping ground for their excess, the status quo will continue. Organizations like the AQHA whine about unwanted horses and then bring over 130,000 foals into the population every year. Wouldn’t be so bad but they also have the leading breed going to slaughter. They spend millions trying to continue slaughter instead of helping their members keep their horses. Why not take that money to establish hay funds, euthanasia funds and educating owners on responsible ownership…

  195. Kim, the reality is that if the economy wasn’t in the tank, horses would be more valuable. Everything we own has decreased in value so why would horses be impervious to the economy? Over 100,000 horses were slaughtered last year so how did closing the plants have an impact? Horse slaughter is still thriving and filling the Belgian pockets. Neglect, abuse and hoarding, as was the case with 3 Strikes, has no correlation to the availability of slaughter. Horses were abused and neglected when the plants were open, it’s happening now with slaughter still available and it will happen when slaughter ends. The owners always feel they are taking good care of their animals and don’t have too many. They can always take in one more.

    Closing the plants has also not had an impact on the over breeding. Legislation has been pending for years and instead of preparing for the end of slaughter, they continue to breed and dump. And they will continue to do so until they no longer can. As long as they have a dumping ground for their excess, the status quo will continue. Organizations like the AQHA whine about unwanted horses and then bring over 130,000 foals into the population every year. Wouldn’t be so bad but they also have the leading breed going to slaughter. They spend millions trying to continue slaughter instead of helping their members keep their horses. Why not take that money to establish hay funds, euthanasia funds and educating owners on responsible ownership…

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