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		<title>By: AgWired &#187; Blog Archives &#187; Exposing HSUS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AgWired &#187; Blog Archives &#187; Exposing HSUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] even let him in the door) and in my opinion issued a challenge to American farmers. You can still read that post or listen to his remarks [...]</description>
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		<title>By: AgWired &#187; Blog Archives &#187; ZimmComm Had a Busy 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>AgWired &#187; Blog Archives &#187; ZimmComm Had a Busy 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Farm Machinery Show 2872. Top stories on Agwired included: John Deere Unveils Largest Planter HSUS Challenges American Agriculture HSUS in Nebraska (tops in comments) Record Phone Calls on iPhone Get a Rustler from New [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tennessee Farm Wife Questions Pacelle &#171; The Pulse- of Colorado Farm Bureau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tennessee Farm Wife Questions Pacelle &#171; The Pulse- of Colorado Farm Bureau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posted Pacelle’s response on the AgWired blog, noting that the animal rights activist appeared defensive and avoided a direct answer. Zimmerman [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://agwired.com/2009/04/27/hsus-challenges-american-agriculture/comment-page-1/#comment-56954</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pacelle, with his slicked back hair, suit and tie, doesn&#039;t look like he has ever actually worked with animals in his life -or ever actually worked at any other real job either. Yet he presumes to tell you folks, farmers in dusty overalls, men and women of the soil who actually work with animals, how to do your work &quot;ethically.&quot;  

Look at that tie. It&#039;s either made of silk, or from some chemical derived from petroleum. If it&#039;s made of silk, it&#039;s based on &quot;cruel&quot; exploitation of the cute little silk worms violating their &quot;rights.&quot;  But if it&#039;s made from some petroleum derivative that&#039;s alright, no matter how many animals die slow, painful deaths from oil spills, no matter how much natural animal habitat is destroyed by air pollution or global warming. All that&#039;s o.k. because it&#039;s not based on &quot;cruel&quot; treatment of any individual animals.

I&#039;m a lawyer who has worked with my hands, maintaining public parklands, and I say animal &quot;rights&quot; is nothing more than &quot;pernicious nonsense.&quot;  You farmers don&#039;t need to pay attention to phonies like Pacelle. Instead you should form alliances with other interest groups, involved in medical research, product testing, environmentalism, wildlife management, hunting, fishing and trapping, etc., to provide a unified front against the animal rights zanies.  

If PETA starts a protest in a nearby city against women buying fur coats, get out there in counter protest, riding on your tractors in overalls to support the furriers.  Take the steam out of PETA&#039;s dishonest publicity stunts and get your message across that humans necessarily depend on a wide variety of animal products, including both yours and the furriers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pacelle, with his slicked back hair, suit and tie, doesn&#8217;t look like he has ever actually worked with animals in his life -or ever actually worked at any other real job either. Yet he presumes to tell you folks, farmers in dusty overalls, men and women of the soil who actually work with animals, how to do your work &#8220;ethically.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Look at that tie. It&#8217;s either made of silk, or from some chemical derived from petroleum. If it&#8217;s made of silk, it&#8217;s based on &#8220;cruel&#8221; exploitation of the cute little silk worms violating their &#8220;rights.&#8221;  But if it&#8217;s made from some petroleum derivative that&#8217;s alright, no matter how many animals die slow, painful deaths from oil spills, no matter how much natural animal habitat is destroyed by air pollution or global warming. All that&#8217;s o.k. because it&#8217;s not based on &#8220;cruel&#8221; treatment of any individual animals.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a lawyer who has worked with my hands, maintaining public parklands, and I say animal &#8220;rights&#8221; is nothing more than &#8220;pernicious nonsense.&#8221;  You farmers don&#8217;t need to pay attention to phonies like Pacelle. Instead you should form alliances with other interest groups, involved in medical research, product testing, environmentalism, wildlife management, hunting, fishing and trapping, etc., to provide a unified front against the animal rights zanies.  </p>
<p>If PETA starts a protest in a nearby city against women buying fur coats, get out there in counter protest, riding on your tractors in overalls to support the furriers.  Take the steam out of PETA&#8217;s dishonest publicity stunts and get your message across that humans necessarily depend on a wide variety of animal products, including both yours and the furriers.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 01:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Internet lets you connect with the public directly every day. Set up a website with great pictures of your beautiful animals so everyone can see. Put a webcam in the barn!

Go direct to the consumer. Right past HSUS. 

Go beyond just talking about the products we produce (advertising). Talk about the producer and the process. Take a small percentage of your marketing/advertising dollars and explain and show how it&#039;s done. We need cowboys and farmers for the future and many will come out of the cities seeking an &quot;exotic&quot; and unique lifestyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Internet lets you connect with the public directly every day. Set up a website with great pictures of your beautiful animals so everyone can see. Put a webcam in the barn!</p>
<p>Go direct to the consumer. Right past HSUS. </p>
<p>Go beyond just talking about the products we produce (advertising). Talk about the producer and the process. Take a small percentage of your marketing/advertising dollars and explain and show how it&#8217;s done. We need cowboys and farmers for the future and many will come out of the cities seeking an &#8220;exotic&#8221; and unique lifestyle.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 01:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good piece on H$U$ at http://www.furcommission.com/resource/perspect999cl.htm


Just because we&#039;re AGAINST animal cruelty doesn&#039;t mean we have to be FOR H$U$.

And we can be solidly AGAINST H$U$ and 100% FOR animal welfare. 

There are plenty of great groups and vets out there to work with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good piece on H$U$ at <a href="http://www.furcommission.com/resource/perspect999cl.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.furcommission.com/resource/perspect999cl.htm</a></p>
<p>Just because we&#8217;re AGAINST animal cruelty doesn&#8217;t mean we have to be FOR H$U$.</p>
<p>And we can be solidly AGAINST H$U$ and 100% FOR animal welfare. </p>
<p>There are plenty of great groups and vets out there to work with.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 01:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You folks had better believe that these well heeled fanatics intend to put you out of business...PERIOD! There is no compromising with them at all. They will isolate the veal farmers (already have to some extent) villify them as inhumane monsters to the point that NOBODY will have nerve enough to speak up in support. Then they will isolate another group and repeat the same. Either you will unite or lose your livelihood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You folks had better believe that these well heeled fanatics intend to put you out of business&#8230;PERIOD! There is no compromising with them at all. They will isolate the veal farmers (already have to some extent) villify them as inhumane monsters to the point that NOBODY will have nerve enough to speak up in support. Then they will isolate another group and repeat the same. Either you will unite or lose your livelihood.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacquelin E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacquelin E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So he doesn&#039;t want to hurt farmers?  Hmm, let&#039;s think about this...one of the major agronomic products in the U.S. is corn/silage/etc. meant for animal feed.  Take out animal ag and there&#039;s a lot of the market gone.  I also noticed that the dolt never mentioned how exactly he would help the very citizens he aims to put out of house and home.  Like any other person with a subversive agenda, he&#039;s talking out of both sides of his mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So he doesn&#8217;t want to hurt farmers?  Hmm, let&#8217;s think about this&#8230;one of the major agronomic products in the U.S. is corn/silage/etc. meant for animal feed.  Take out animal ag and there&#8217;s a lot of the market gone.  I also noticed that the dolt never mentioned how exactly he would help the very citizens he aims to put out of house and home.  Like any other person with a subversive agenda, he&#8217;s talking out of both sides of his mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: we farm illinois</title>
		<link>http://agwired.com/2009/04/27/hsus-challenges-american-agriculture/comment-page-1/#comment-56864</link>
		<dc:creator>we farm illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a 5th generation farmer I believe this person is more dangerous to ag than any person I have heard of in my 50 years. He not only does not eat meat, he doesn&#039;t want you to either. He doesn&#039;t care whether you make a living or not. He cares more about animals feelings than any human feelings. Like any politician  he knows how to talk to his base and get them to follow along behind him. We must realize these people will not compromise. They believe that no matter how much care we take in raising our livestock, we are as evil as Hitler because we confine them, butcher them, and consume them. They believe as strongly as we do, that they are right. With that in mind, we have to convince his followers- the average American consumer- that we are in the right. We can counter their high-dollar publicity campaign by using any opportunity to tell our story. Talk to your local  civic group, call your congressmen. If we sit back and do nothing, we will all be Wal-Mart greeters</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a 5th generation farmer I believe this person is more dangerous to ag than any person I have heard of in my 50 years. He not only does not eat meat, he doesn&#8217;t want you to either. He doesn&#8217;t care whether you make a living or not. He cares more about animals feelings than any human feelings. Like any politician  he knows how to talk to his base and get them to follow along behind him. We must realize these people will not compromise. They believe that no matter how much care we take in raising our livestock, we are as evil as Hitler because we confine them, butcher them, and consume them. They believe as strongly as we do, that they are right. With that in mind, we have to convince his followers- the average American consumer- that we are in the right. We can counter their high-dollar publicity campaign by using any opportunity to tell our story. Talk to your local  civic group, call your congressmen. If we sit back and do nothing, we will all be Wal-Mart greeters</p>
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		<title>By: dr.rosset</title>
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		<dc:creator>dr.rosset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Animal right activist have a clear 12 step goal and it does not brook any compromise thus Wayne Pacelles lust for money. What are the 12 steps of the the animal rights agenda?
1. Abolish by law all animal research. (There would be no cures for AIDS, cancer, heart disease, etc., and testing of new drugs would be done on humans, or not at all.)
2. Outlaw the use of animals for cosmetic and product testing, and classroom demonstration (physicians would perform their first surgeries and procedures on humans without any previous experience).
3. Vegetarian meals should be at all public institutions, including schools.
4. Eliminate all animal agriculture (resulting in no milk, eggs, chicken, fish, or meat for food, no leather for shoes or clothing).  (How many foods do you eat that contain eggs or dairy products, or a derivative of the same? Did you know your keyboard and mouse may have been made with animal products?)
5. Eliminate all herbicides, pesticides or other agricultural chemicals.  Outlaw predator control.(Farmers would not be able to produce as much food as they do now, driving the cost of living up, and eliminating the export of food to hungry nations. Animals such as coyotes are already a problem in some areas, coming into yards to eat garbage and prey upon outdoor pets.)
6. Transfer enforcement of animal welfare legislation away from the Department of Agriculture. (Animal issues would be controlled by people with little or no experience in customary animal husbandry.
7. Eliminate fur ranching and the use of furs.
8. Prohibit hunting, trapping and fishing.
9. End the international trade in wildlife goods.
10. Stop any further breeding of companion animals, including purebred dogs and cats. Spaying and neutering should be subsidized by state and municipal governments until all companion animals are extinct. Abolish commerce in animals for the pet trade.  Eliminate pet ownership.
11. End the use of animals in entertainment and sports (resulting in no horse shows, cat or dog shows, animal actors, rodeos, animal movie stars).
12. Prohibit the genetic manipulation of the species (resulting in the elimination of critical medical research relating to Cancer, AIDS and other life threatening diseases, as well as crop production improvements such as the difference between the Holstein and the Angus, and eliminate all pedigreed animals, etc... ).
You may sympathize with one of the points above... however, do you agree with all of them?  If you disagree with only some, you cannot, in good conscience, continue to support the animal rights agenda with donations or support of their legislation. For example, I happen to agree with item 9, above, but if I send money to the animal rights groups, it may be used to support items with which I disagree.
This is a religious cult based upon a philosophy that animals should have human rights and that we make slaves of them.  Every law they push about companion animals has been to make it more expensive and difficult to own or keep an animal.  Every time they get a community to pass a mandatory spay and neuter law the deaths of pets who had homes increases and licensing compliance drops below effective levels. This has happend in Los Angeles and in other cities.  Some cities repealed these laws because they were so devastaing to the community.  If they can change our relationship to animals and make our food more expensive this will hurt the poor even more and the USA even more. It will make us vunerable to attack. It will in effect make Wayne Pacelle the new god over America.  Wake up people this is not about the few abused animals they keep showing pictures of it is about your ability to have a companion animal, scientific research to prevent life threatening diseases and healthy available food supply.  We already have laws on the books to protect animals.  The question is getting the police to enforce such laws.  HSUS and PETA are clear threats to the American way of life. This is a false god just as Jim Jones convinced people to posion their children.  This man is a threat to the safety of our country and our food supplies. This is not about treating animals better it is about killing them all which HSUS is noted for doing and so is PETA.  They support no shelters and they recommend killing all dogs. They killed 127 dogs in North Carolina. Healthy dogs of which 67 were puppies.  From Wayne&#039;s own mouth: &quot; We have no ethical obligation to preserve the different breeds of livestock produced through selective breeding. ...One generation and out. We have no problems with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding ** Wayne Pacelle * Director of HSUS.  This is an evil man who lies to the public and makes up stastics to raise money. Do not believe him and do not compromise with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Animal right activist have a clear 12 step goal and it does not brook any compromise thus Wayne Pacelles lust for money. What are the 12 steps of the the animal rights agenda?<br />
1. Abolish by law all animal research. (There would be no cures for AIDS, cancer, heart disease, etc., and testing of new drugs would be done on humans, or not at all.)<br />
2. Outlaw the use of animals for cosmetic and product testing, and classroom demonstration (physicians would perform their first surgeries and procedures on humans without any previous experience).<br />
3. Vegetarian meals should be at all public institutions, including schools.<br />
4. Eliminate all animal agriculture (resulting in no milk, eggs, chicken, fish, or meat for food, no leather for shoes or clothing).  (How many foods do you eat that contain eggs or dairy products, or a derivative of the same? Did you know your keyboard and mouse may have been made with animal products?)<br />
5. Eliminate all herbicides, pesticides or other agricultural chemicals.  Outlaw predator control.(Farmers would not be able to produce as much food as they do now, driving the cost of living up, and eliminating the export of food to hungry nations. Animals such as coyotes are already a problem in some areas, coming into yards to eat garbage and prey upon outdoor pets.)<br />
6. Transfer enforcement of animal welfare legislation away from the Department of Agriculture. (Animal issues would be controlled by people with little or no experience in customary animal husbandry.<br />
7. Eliminate fur ranching and the use of furs.<br />
8. Prohibit hunting, trapping and fishing.<br />
9. End the international trade in wildlife goods.<br />
10. Stop any further breeding of companion animals, including purebred dogs and cats. Spaying and neutering should be subsidized by state and municipal governments until all companion animals are extinct. Abolish commerce in animals for the pet trade.  Eliminate pet ownership.<br />
11. End the use of animals in entertainment and sports (resulting in no horse shows, cat or dog shows, animal actors, rodeos, animal movie stars).<br />
12. Prohibit the genetic manipulation of the species (resulting in the elimination of critical medical research relating to Cancer, AIDS and other life threatening diseases, as well as crop production improvements such as the difference between the Holstein and the Angus, and eliminate all pedigreed animals, etc&#8230; ).<br />
You may sympathize with one of the points above&#8230; however, do you agree with all of them?  If you disagree with only some, you cannot, in good conscience, continue to support the animal rights agenda with donations or support of their legislation. For example, I happen to agree with item 9, above, but if I send money to the animal rights groups, it may be used to support items with which I disagree.<br />
This is a religious cult based upon a philosophy that animals should have human rights and that we make slaves of them.  Every law they push about companion animals has been to make it more expensive and difficult to own or keep an animal.  Every time they get a community to pass a mandatory spay and neuter law the deaths of pets who had homes increases and licensing compliance drops below effective levels. This has happend in Los Angeles and in other cities.  Some cities repealed these laws because they were so devastaing to the community.  If they can change our relationship to animals and make our food more expensive this will hurt the poor even more and the USA even more. It will make us vunerable to attack. It will in effect make Wayne Pacelle the new god over America.  Wake up people this is not about the few abused animals they keep showing pictures of it is about your ability to have a companion animal, scientific research to prevent life threatening diseases and healthy available food supply.  We already have laws on the books to protect animals.  The question is getting the police to enforce such laws.  HSUS and PETA are clear threats to the American way of life. This is a false god just as Jim Jones convinced people to posion their children.  This man is a threat to the safety of our country and our food supplies. This is not about treating animals better it is about killing them all which HSUS is noted for doing and so is PETA.  They support no shelters and they recommend killing all dogs. They killed 127 dogs in North Carolina. Healthy dogs of which 67 were puppies.  From Wayne&#8217;s own mouth: &#8221; We have no ethical obligation to preserve the different breeds of livestock produced through selective breeding. &#8230;One generation and out. We have no problems with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding ** Wayne Pacelle * Director of HSUS.  This is an evil man who lies to the public and makes up stastics to raise money. Do not believe him and do not compromise with him.</p>
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